Performance motorsports in ny. Stay away from them!!
Obviously you dont care about any relationships between you and you're customers b/c you clearly said that you dont want people like us (which means ppl who dont sit back and take **** from vendors who mess up and dont give answers) as you're customers. You sound like a great business man to me. Now are we done here? Or is this thread going to continue about more useless **** that involves you, when in fact this thread is about performance motorsport
i kid i kid
But seriously, why bash a reputable member/vendor who has contributed a ton to this community? I understand your are displeased with PM and very defensive about the situation, phunk was just asking hard questions to try to get the truth since it was somewhat unclear at first. IMHO he never directed anything negative towards you just asked questions.
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why are you so concerned if PM replies or not. Pick up the phone and call them. why continue this BS on the forums. Obviously no one will have an answer where the tune went. PM is not responsible for the car as soon as it leaves its doors. Going thru the trouble of making a false dyno chart is ridiculous. You can just tell by their FB page they work on tons of VQs.
You guys never bothered to double check their work. Its that simple. You guys are as much at fault as they are. If you feel you dont have to double check other people's work, you are noob as they come and there's nothing more anyone can help you with.
this thread isnt going anywhere. No one can answer where the tune went and PM cant prove that the tune was not somehow removed by the OP. Its words against words. If the car was running that poorly, then you make the time to get it fixed immediately. A year later is crazy. I guarantee if you pushed the issue as hard as you are pushing this thread, you woulda had your car into that shop within weeks of that tune
You guys never bothered to double check their work. Its that simple. You guys are as much at fault as they are. If you feel you dont have to double check other people's work, you are noob as they come and there's nothing more anyone can help you with.
this thread isnt going anywhere. No one can answer where the tune went and PM cant prove that the tune was not somehow removed by the OP. Its words against words. If the car was running that poorly, then you make the time to get it fixed immediately. A year later is crazy. I guarantee if you pushed the issue as hard as you are pushing this thread, you woulda had your car into that shop within weeks of that tune
How would I check the tune if I don't have the equipment to do so?
If you are going to bash phunk why not make a seperate thread...?
i kid i kid
But seriously, why bash a reputable member/vendor who has contributed a ton to this community? I understand your are displeased with PM and very defensive about the situation, phunk was just asking hard questions to try to get the truth since it was somewhat unclear at first. IMHO he never directed anything negative towards you just asked questions.
i kid i kid
But seriously, why bash a reputable member/vendor who has contributed a ton to this community? I understand your are displeased with PM and very defensive about the situation, phunk was just asking hard questions to try to get the truth since it was somewhat unclear at first. IMHO he never directed anything negative towards you just asked questions.
did you have a wideband in the car?
did you ever check the codes that you had when the check engine light was on? If so, tell us every code that was found.
do you have any videos of the car driving/running in the last year?
did you ever check the codes that you had when the check engine light was on? If so, tell us every code that was found.
do you have any videos of the car driving/running in the last year?
If you are going to bash phunk why not make a seperate thread...?
i kid i kid
But seriously, why bash a reputable member/vendor who has contributed a ton to this community? I understand your are displeased with PM and very defensive about the situation, phunk was just asking hard questions to try to get the truth since it was somewhat unclear at first. IMHO he never directed anything negative towards you just asked questions.
i kid i kid
But seriously, why bash a reputable member/vendor who has contributed a ton to this community? I understand your are displeased with PM and very defensive about the situation, phunk was just asking hard questions to try to get the truth since it was somewhat unclear at first. IMHO he never directed anything negative towards you just asked questions.
I understand, however, why ask the same questions over and over. Everyone is already so damn pissed to begin with and then here comes someone who is completely unaware of the situation and was not there, has nothing to do with anything and basically says hey, you're lying. So are the other 10 people who was with you that day. And Vince, yea he said there was no license but its your fault
you are like 40 miles away. it seems like a huge issue now, but doesnt seem that far to drive to talk face to face. it was never an option to drive back by the shop. They coulda double checked the tune in a couple seconds.
Or why not drive down there now and talk to them? Why hide behind a keyboard if you really feel they scammed you.
Or why not drive down there now and talk to them? Why hide behind a keyboard if you really feel they scammed you.
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- The check engine light brought up a code saying my car was running rich. That relates to 06z33 calling them and Alex telling him to bring the cars back in, but he never gave us a date to do so because they were always busy. Then we parked up for the winter.
- No videos of the car on the road.
Just chill, no one (that i've noticed) in this thread is against you, i've yet to see a PM nutswinger so don't take out the anger on us, like STR8 said drive down and take it out and them
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Again, a lot of people are missing the point. I don't want **** from Performance Motorsports. I'm happy with my car right now, I just don't want anyone else go through what I went through. I'm not wasting my time to visit their shop. I have nothing to gain from it. I cut my losses.
This thread, like the title says, is to warn people to stay away from them. Simple as that.
This thread, like the title says, is to warn people to stay away from them. Simple as that.
- I have a wideband. The sensor fouled out after a while though.
- The check engine light brought up a code saying my car was running rich. That relates to 06z33 calling them and Alex telling him to bring the cars back in, but he never gave us a date to do so because they were always busy. Then we parked up for the winter.
- No videos of the car on the road.
- The check engine light brought up a code saying my car was running rich. That relates to 06z33 calling them and Alex telling him to bring the cars back in, but he never gave us a date to do so because they were always busy. Then we parked up for the winter.
- No videos of the car on the road.
What I am leading into here, is that your DTC codes, or lack thereof may be able to give us a solid answer about if your car had a tune in it or not.
Is there anyone here that has experience with MAF Voltage codes in the DE and can tell us at what point they will occur?
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I feel as far as the license goes, its not really my place to respond. When the vehicle arrived it didn't have a license on the ECU. I asked Russell if he was sure it was tuned on UPREV and not another system and he was sure. At that point I called UPREV just to verify that there wasn't anyway to lose a license or if the ECU was locked(which I have never done) it would show up as a stock ECU. UPREV gave me a few things to check so I did, and he currently did not have a license on the ECU.
As far as the injectors go there seems to be a little confusion. One of the injectors was missing the plastic retaining clip for the lower O-ring not the O-ring itself. I checked to see if I had any extra and I didn't. So I told him I would sell him 1 injector out of a new set and then I would just replace that injector. When we looked at the new injectors we realized that he had the older style DW injectors which were physically different, at that point they were different enough that I didn't really wanna risk running 1 different injector and risk things internally being different(injector lag and actual flow). Russell was given the options he had and out of the interest of time and just to get it done that day, he decided to buy a new set. After that we got the injectors installed and tuned and everything felt good.
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Can anyone tell us at what MAF voltage the stock ECU will give us a code? I honestly do not know because its been years since I tuned a DE with a piggy back / voltage clamp, and my DE ran a FCON, and I never tuned a DE Osiris.
What I am leading into here, is that your DTC codes, or lack thereof may be able to give us a solid answer about if your car had a tune in it or not.
Is there anyone here that has experience with MAF Voltage codes in the DE and can tell us at what point they will occur?
What I am leading into here, is that your DTC codes, or lack thereof may be able to give us a solid answer about if your car had a tune in it or not.
Is there anyone here that has experience with MAF Voltage codes in the DE and can tell us at what point they will occur?
. Just incase that makes a difference in your inquiry.
I feel as far as the license goes, its not really my place to respond. When the vehicle arrived it didn't have a license on the ECU. I asked Russell if he was sure it was tuned on UPREV and not another system and he was sure. At that point I called UPREV just to verify that there wasn't anyway to lose a license or if the ECU was locked(which I have never done) it would show up as a stock ECU. UPREV gave me a few things to check so I did, and he currently did not have a license on the ECU.
As far as the injectors go there seems to be a little confusion. One of the injectors was missing the plastic retaining clip for the lower O-ring not the O-ring itself. I checked to see if I had any extra and I didn't. So I told him I would sell him 1 injector out of a new set and then I would just replace that injector. When we looked at the new injectors we realized that he had the older style DW injectors which were physically different, at that point they were different enough that I didn't really wanna risk running 1 different injector and risk things internally being different(injector lag and actual flow). Russell was given the options he had and out of the interest of time and just to get it done that day, he decided to buy a new set. After that we got the injectors installed and tuned and everything felt good.
As far as the injectors go there seems to be a little confusion. One of the injectors was missing the plastic retaining clip for the lower O-ring not the O-ring itself. I checked to see if I had any extra and I didn't. So I told him I would sell him 1 injector out of a new set and then I would just replace that injector. When we looked at the new injectors we realized that he had the older style DW injectors which were physically different, at that point they were different enough that I didn't really wanna risk running 1 different injector and risk things internally being different(injector lag and actual flow). Russell was given the options he had and out of the interest of time and just to get it done that day, he decided to buy a new set. After that we got the injectors installed and tuned and everything felt good.
I figured there had to be more light into the injector story, thanks for clearing that up.i respect your work vince and we have spoken and i hope you are able to understand my skeptism on the matter without feeling that it means i would accuse you of anything. some of these guys think it has to be one way or the other, i reserve room for any and all possbilities until there are facts.
thanks for posting its nice to have a solid useful post in here
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. The wide band sensor was blown, fouled from carbon..
He then told me his father who btw owns his own shop put a scanner on it n said it was running rich... This was after the first tune...
With no experience in turbo charged cars he didn't kno Wat to expect as far as AFR ....
He should have went back to PM but if u have ever dealt with them u kno u get the run around...
There is another member I personally kno who waited a month to get his car back, ask he did was IIRC have an exhaust and timbre with Uprev.. A month? I guess the recent events in Japan made that exhaust a shipping nightmare?
Anyway thanks for all the input guys, this is going no where fast..