Nah,no need to trust me they see this thread.

 

I'm not on anyone's side here.

Like Charles, I'm skeptical of some posters/stories, not because they haven't potentially been done wrong by a shop, but because they post such ridiculous $hit, it takes away their validity when they post things that make no fawking sense.

The perfect example of that would be the "clip" on an injector which we now know was a small o-ring. Ive cracked injector o-rings before and any parts store will carry an assorted sized o-ring selection. Its an easy fix to find those in any size.

To say you were screwed over on 440cc injectors because of that is stupid and shows how much you don't know. If you agreed to new injectors over this alone you are a sucker. No one is to blame but you, unless PM pushed these on you for now reason then that's AAM status right there...

I see both sides of the fence here trust me I do, but man do you lose credibility when you tell everyone how naive you are with your own story/knowledge.

Could PM handled things better/ Explained things better? Yeah, maybe.

Good thing is you are happy with your current shop and your car seems to be running well.

 

Why are the injectors the main focus of everyone's replies? Read the first post on this thread again. The injectors have nothing to do with this thread!

 

Funny how the BS injectors keep coming up..
Wat about the non existent Uprev license?

 

Because of this, from the FIRST POST.

All this talk of injectors, and PM forcing you to buy something, and it turns out it wasn't even a clip but a 2 cent o-ring? You make accusations and blame them for what seemingly was a bad decision on your part, with some seemingly bad communication/explanation between shop and customer.

I'm not defending PM, all I'm saying is, expect some heat back and questions to be asked when you don't seem to know the simplest of things

I haven't dealt with Uprev in years but obviously that is a problem there is no denying that. Having said that I agree with Charles that the car wouldn't have dyno'd what it did or run for so long on stock ECU, something is fishy.

Id personally get to the bottom of everything - (this means you talk/discuss with the shop first) before presenting a situation to the community and getting down on a shop.

 

And as far as the OP being clueless on how to build/ tune cars thats not his job thats left up to reputable shops...

There are plenty of forum members who kno SHlT about cars who have had their cars built by a shop and everything worked out great... So its not his fault for accepting Wat a supposedly reputable shop told him.. Not to mention the compete back story to wen he was notified of the injector issue n where he was...

He couldn't check in with the my 350 z decision panel to get a correct answer, he had other business at the time again trusting this shop and their decision to use smaller injectors...
This could happunder any circumstance so to say he was

 

This could happen to anyone under any circumstance, not every one is apt in every area of life... u have to n will fall victim to being a consumer...

 

If you read the first post you'd see he did contact said shop and their stance is that the OP is a d~pshit. This thread doesn't appear to be his first choice of actions.

 

Handing the phone to a 3rd party isn't how I would handle something as serious as this, that is my opinion.

OP needs to discuss this all with the tech/tuner. Im sure after this thread PM will reach out to him, hopefully its the least they can do even though OP has since moved on.

edit-I agree though it is sad OP was taken for some parts it seems. Shops (try) get over on everyone from the newbs and less knowledgeable to guys like me, I speak from experience. That is undeniably sad and makes this community $hitty in many ways.

 

I think you're misunderstanding the situation.

Last year, I got my car "tuned" for the first time after my TT install. I went to Performance for the "tune". I installed 800cc injectors prior to going to them for my tune. They told me they can't tune my car with the 800cc injectors and that I would need to buy 440cc injectors in order for it to be tuned. I agreed to that, because I needed my car to be tuned.

The reason why I'm saying they made me by the 440cc injectors is because later on I found out that 800cc injectors could be scaled down and tuned, it wasn't an impossible task. So if it was not an impossible task, why didn't tune it? Why did they have me buy 440cc injectors and make me think that was the only way that my car would be tuned.


So fast forward to last week (09/30/2011). I go to R/T Tuning to get my car retuned and to swap out those 440cc injectors and reinstall my original 800cc injectors that Performance had me remove last year. Come to find out that when R/T Tuning attempted to install those 800cc, a part was missing from one of the injectors. They ordered a new set for me in hopes of just having me purchase one from that set. However, turns out that Deatchwerks stopped making the model of 800cc injectors that I originally bought last year, so I could interchange that single injector, I had to buy the entire set.


Does that clear things up a bit?

Also, the main focus of this thread is about my ECU not having an UpRev license on it. The injectors aren't the main focus, they were just part of the story.

 

Yes that does clear things up for me a bit.

What is the injector size limit for your tuning software? Were the 800cc injectors too large? What reason(s) was given for not being able to use the 800cc injectors other than "you need 440cc injectors"?

Regarding the issue last week, why do you need a new injector or a new set when all you needed was an o-ring?

Again, no excuse on the Uprev, hopefully they chime in here.

 

What's wrong with having his tuner talk to them after calling them up himself? The OP doesn't know d!ck about tuning and likely how to explain the situation correctly. Perhaps a followup call or 'pass back' could have been in order but it's obvious the said shop took their stance and further discussion was pointless.

The injector latency and minimum is infinitely variable in Uprev so there's no 'size limit' ... they just have to be high impedance. There's no legitimate reason they couldn't get them to work, other than lack of effort or experience. Since RTT later tuned them fine kind of proves the point.

 

I've called PM (twice) and he has as well (IDK how many times) since friday Sept. 30th. We were put on hold when we asked for Alex and nobody ever came to the phone and no phone calls were returned. However, on Friday Sept. 30th before we mentioned anything about not having the tune to Alex, he came to the phone, denied everything and had Garry call Vince back and say that the car was taken to a dealership and the uprev tune was cleared. Injectors aside, why was there no osiris license? Why wont they return our calls? I've pm'ed JDM Fairlady (alex) and Anthony@PMsport (Anthony has nothing to do with this, I simply asked him to pass this thread along to Alex). Trust me man making this was not the first option. Plus there's a whole back story as to why we dont trust Performance's work in the first place. But if you want to know that story I'll PM you b/c it's irrelevant to the situation at hand.

 

No I'm good guys. I just wanted to post my comments and doubts, even though I know I sound like I don't believe you, I just wanted to be sure I understood OP's position. I clearly do now.

djamps cleared up my only other question.

PM should respond now...

 

Yeh so basically they reason was that 800cc's were too high and couldn't be scaled down. I'm not that knowledgeable or experienced to have argued with them at the time so I just went with what I was told.

If I knew at the time what I know now then I would have never bought the 440cc's and would tell them that 800cc's were indeed possible to scaled down. If they still insisted it wasn't, then I would have went somewhere else.

 

Well I'm glad that the Z community has agreed and come together on something...

Now where is PM and their explanation?

 

Damn those *****!

 

Hey Russell...aren't the new injectors 880cc? I thought I heard Erik say that.

Well going forward,anyone following this tread....If you have uprev and injectors over 440cc and PM tells you they can't be scaled down,you need to be looking for another tuner..

 

I want to go visit RT so bad, but can't find the free time..

 

You will love the customer service those guys give! Vince works on your car like it's his. I'm taking my car to them after 350ZION and myself bolt on my BP turbo kit.