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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 06:30 AM
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You should be focused on woman shopping in addition to car shopping.

Awww..Easy now. We all now you have to pay to play..lol..

That midmount kit looks like a weekend job. I am very interested in that twin scroll design. Plus troubleshooting would be much less of a hassle compared to the twins.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 06:37 AM
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Awww..Easy now. We all now you have to pay to play..lol..

That midmount kit looks like a weekend job. I am very interested in that twin scroll design. Plus troubleshooting would be much less of a hassle compared to the twins.
Correct, the kit is very easy to install and should not take more than a weekend to be done. Shops quote about 10h for a complete install of that kit. Everything is bolt on, nothing to trim/cut/alter on the car. If you wanted to remove it, one would never be able to tell that the car had a turbo system installed at any time.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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Correct, the kit is very easy to install and should not take more than a weekend to be done. Shops quote about 10h for a complete install of that kit. Everything is bolt on, nothing to trim/cut/alter on the car. If you wanted to remove it, one would never be able to tell that the car had a turbo system installed at any time.
Your kit is definitely a time saver on install but seems like you might pay the labor difference later. At least with my twins i can drop the trans and service the clutch/csc without taking the whole turbo kit apart.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by djamps
Your kit is definitely a time saver on install but seems like you might pay the labor difference later. At least with my twins i can drop the trans and service the clutch/csc without taking the whole turbo kit apart.
6 bolts (3/side) on the exhaust manifolds (20 min)
One 3" V-band clamp on the turbo (1min)
Two -an fittings, feed and reservoir. (2 min)
One T-bolt clam on the compressor outlet (2 min)
Two wastegate clamps (10 min)
One 2" V-band clamp (1 min)

The turbo does not need to be seperated from the pipes between it and the exhaust manifolds.


The difference in price between the two for install alone is about $1,500. How many clutches would you have to go through to make up for the difference?


In other words, I don't find that it is worthy saying "pay the labor difference later". It is also not worth saying that you have to take the "whole turbo kit appart". On the other hand, if you have to service anything on the turbo (including waste gates) with a TT kit, you are in for a treat. Not trying to start an argument...just say'n.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 08:32 AM
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The turbo does not need to be seperated from the pipes between it and the exhaust manifolds.
Many earlier HR/VHR and later CD009 DE's have had issues with CSC's (e.g. clutch to the floor). Just pointing out there's more than just one reason to need the trans down other than normal clutch wear. If it's true your kit only adds an hour of labor total for trans/clutch work I guess that's not so bad. Don't you have to reprime the oiling system too though?
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 08:50 AM
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Many earlier HR/VHR and later CD009 DE's have had issues with CSC's (e.g. clutch to the floor). Just pointing out there's more than just one reason to need the trans down other than normal clutch wear. If it's true your kit only adds an hour of labor total for trans/clutch work I guess that's not so bad. Don't you have to reprime the oiling system too though?
No, oiling system does not need to be touched. Once the pump has oil in it, it will always pull vacuum. The feed line is only 36", so nothing to do there either.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 10:42 AM
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You replied to a spammer troll, hence his post makes no sense...

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3x amount? Not sure where u got that number from. Unless the midmount turbo kit is only 3k??? Sasha I'd have to say ur WAAAAAAYYY under pricing your kits!
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 11:31 AM
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You replied to a spammer troll, hence his post makes no sense...
Lol thas exactly what I said to my wife after I realized that.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by djamps
Many earlier HR/VHR and later CD009 DE's have had issues with CSC's (e.g. clutch to the floor). Just pointing out there's more than just one reason to need the trans down other than normal clutch wear. If it's true your kit only adds an hour of labor total for trans/clutch work I guess that's not so bad. Don't you have to reprime the oiling system too though?
I had a bearing failure so I've had to pull the engine/trans as well as pull my trans another time to replace the clutch with the BP kit installed. The time to remove the turbo and a couple pipes was insignificant. 30 minutes at max on my slowest time. Exhaust and downpipes have to be removed on a twin kit to drop the transmission anyways so there is still work involved no matter what kit you have when the transmission needs to come out.

Haven't heard of any mysterious issues with the VHR slave cylinder until a heavier clutch is put in. At that point if the person chooses not to upgrade parts they deserve the extra time and money it costs them to drop the transmission a second time (from their stupidity). DE's do not have CSC so the trans does not have to be dropped. I've worked on all years of the DE.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by djamps
You should be focused on woman shopping in addition to car shopping.
+1

In no way shape or form should a woman need to be supported until you are married and she stays home to watch the kids. Until then everyone should have their *** out working instead of doing nothing. If she has a job then she should re-evaluate her spending if she can't afford her own things.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
DE's do not have CSC so the trans does not have to be dropped. I've worked on all years of the DE.
I believe CD009 on the DE (05+) switched to CSC. And at least on my kit I only have to remove the mid pipes not the downpipes.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by djamps
I believe CD009 on the DE (05+) switched to CSC. And at least on my kit I only have to remove the mid pipes not the downpipes.
I did an testpipe and full exhaust install on a 2005 then vortech charger and tune on a 2005 last may. He actually posted it on here. All cd009 transmissions (DE) are a standard slave cylinder.

http://www.courtesyparts.com/350z-pa...5_778_781.html

2 nissan clutch slave cylinders. 2003 and 2004-2006.

The greddy kit downpipes make getting to the transmission bolts damn near impossible. I guess if someone was crafty they might be able to make their own tools and maybe get around it but most people (including the one I worked on) we just dropped the downpipes to make life easier.

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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 06:28 PM
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FYI I'm not trying to diss the kit. Just questioning it. Quite honestly, if I end up building my engine I'll probably sell my kit and go the BP route with a big *** turbo.
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by djamps
FYI I'm not trying to diss the kit. Just questioning it. Quite honestly, if I end up building my engine I'll probably sell my kit and go the BP route with a big *** turbo.
Oh, it never came across as you bashing the kit. I was just pointing out the differences from my point of view having worked on both.

I'm not against the TT setups either but there are just far more things i personally dislike about them than the benefits I like about them. I try to clarify the myths of the interwebs about TT verses a midmount kit to people have no experience with them. Especially the cost savings for people that area already talking about cutting corners to afford stuff.
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by binder
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In no way shape or form should a woman need to be supported until you are married and she stays home to watch the kids. Until then everyone should have their *** out working instead of doing nothing. If she has a job then she should re-evaluate her spending if she can't afford her own things.
Whoa...How did you collect that out of what i said? I merely stated she doesnt want me in the garage for the next 6 weekends like i did when i twin charged my car. That took lots of time and i never wanted to go out and do anything cuz i wanted it done. She works and helps pay the mortgage. She loves the Z, but would prefer I spent my wknds with her and not my car. I doubt anyone could disagree there.

My way of saying Id rather have a 1 weekend install if i could choose. Therefore, the BP kit is becoming more and more attractive.
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 07:30 AM
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Therefore, the BP kit is becoming more and more attractive.
She would love us both...
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 07:46 AM
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What are the options for protecting the intake from water? I don't drive in the rain often but occasionally have been caught in some crazy torrents and an inch or two of standing water getting back into my neigborhood (back woods!). I'd feel alot better if the intake could be moved higher.
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 08:16 AM
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What are the options for protecting the intake from water? I don't drive in the rain often but occasionally have been caught in some crazy torrents and an inch or two of standing water getting back into my neigborhood (back woods!). I'd feel alot better if the intake could be moved higher.
35+ kits out there now, and this has never been an issue. Air filter is located beside the starter, so it is not really on the ground like some may think.

I have driven in some crazy torrential downpours...never a problem. Almost 4 years now with the kit on the car.
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 09:11 AM
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well maybe 1 issue? https://my350z.com/forum/maintenance...ine-today.html post #11
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Old Oct 26, 2012 | 09:29 AM
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I did not know about that, but it sounds like he drove through a deep puddle. There would have to be about 8" of sitting water for this to happen.
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