This is like the opposite of the entertaining threads bashing Forged Performance. This time it's the customer getting flamed instead of the shops. I love the internet.

 

So you are blaming BP for having a shitty kit when it is the Precision turbo that failed? Doesn't this seem to be more suited to blame Precision?

 

thats because in that instance its the shop, in this instance the op is bashing BP, and there really is nothing wrong with his kit.

 

Jerry I respect your advice and opinion, but until someone comes forward with proof and fact that they road race this kit without issue then ther is also an issue with the kit for this application.. Even precision is on board with that fact, whether it's the setup or other this kit, the precision turbo and the build are all to blame and the fabricator of the kit is negligent if he sells this kit to those wanting to use it for road racing unless he has proof that it is tested and true. I'm the guinea pig here and that is fine, but for those that follow or wish to purchase this kit for road racing need to know to look elsewhere.

I will repeat... Unless Sasha boosted performance wants to back up his words with some proof. That won't happen though will it Sasha.

We will see what the shop does with this failure. That has nothing to do with boosted performance.. At this point. Time will tell I guess.

 

Let me chime in, in defense of a great fabricator and shop. Sasha builds things that last. I will say this, Putnam, Mid OH 1.48 last go around and mid 10s in the 1/4 on his twin scroll kit. I went 11.4@133 on his old kit at 560 on a Dynosty built stage one. I am currently in the rebuild mode to go for the first 1000+ car on a BP kit but anyone will tell you I drive harder than just about anyone. A car is just a tool to go fast and I use it to the fullest extent. Countless highway pulls, drag racing, and road course hpdes. I drive the dragon every year, drive th car on city street over speed bumps and both the work Dynosty and Sasha have done is second to none. Previous I was turbojet I, then jwt, then BP 's very first kit and now I am on his twin scroll setup. As I upgrade I am running faster than any car that say they Dyno similar 600-650 numbers on 93 pump with E85 I will be shooting to max out my current setup. I can attest to only what I know... Dynosty builds a stout motor, and Sasha's kit will take anything you could possibly throw at it.

Just view some of my many video posts to support this on YouTube or the ZDAYZ group on Facebook. Actions and evidence speak volumes over keyboard Jackie's that do not understand what they are talking about.

Please excuse my poor sentences/grammar I am getting on my jet to fly home for a wedding.

 

Nobody is blaming Boosted performance for anything.. Lets make that clear... Not yet anyway.

If you sell something you should back it up. Precision backed up there shitty turbo, it time for Sasha to back up his statement that there are many others road racing with this kit without issue... Still no one and nothing to that effect... Wonder why??

 

btw MI when i get home to cleveland area gona have to get togeather sometime lol

 

outside of MI, and MAYBY gamermodz(who i havnt heard from in awhile) your not going to encounter many if any 500+ whp cars that road race. these cars have major issues with traction going that high is going to cause issues so what your asking for is something that just dosnt happen on this platform hate to say it. im working on a solution, or at least something that MIGHT help(i know it will for drag at a minimum) but it wont be rdy till i get back home and the shop is up and running, plus it will require a good bit of custom work.

i run 305/35/18 toyo r888, 27 psi gives me the recommended 32 hot and i can tell you i have traction issues at 600 even with the tires heated up, going in a straight line. would need impressive traction control for corners. mayby the infinity will have that but i wont know till i get the software which they are packaging right now rofl

 

What feed line are you using to the turbo, I would like to talk to you at length MI even though your kit is not the same maybe you can shine some light on why this kit has given me nothing but issues and you are the only other person with this kit that has road raced it. In my case the BP kit does not take anything you throw at it, if it did then I would not have had the issues that I have had with it in my expereince. in no way am I trying to bash Sasha as the fabricator, i am just stating the facts from my experience with this kit ON THE TRACK. On the street the things performed great, take it to the track and it is a complete wash.

 

jerry, I have 13 years of track experience with multiple levels of power vehicles, traction was not the issue with this kit, over oiling is the issue, the turbo seems to not be able to handle the constant 87psi of oil pressure it sees at the track.

This is unrelated ( ihope) to the motor issue but it still stands that with my kit and with my experience this kit does not cut the mustard. great fabrication, sure, but in the real world that I need to use it in, it has failed on all levels. finding out why seems to be a mystery to Sasha, precision and the only person that is confident that it is the turbo and the kit IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE is R/T and has been from the get go.

 

Where's R/T?

 

Vince is in Seattle for a formulaD comp. Once he returns next week he said we will be making arrangements to look at WTF has gone wrong. I am sure he will stick to what he has always said and believes , that PTE turbos are **** in the road race world, I do not have anything other than my experience to compare it to so cannot comment on anything other than what I have experienced with this kit and turbo. As far as precision is concerned they say that they need 10psi min and 60psi is the max..... this would tell any idiot that the 87psi of oil pressure that is generated at the track is too much for this POS to handle, doesnt take a rocket scientist. That is why they are telling me that it may very well need a restrictor, but it is a double edge sword since unless in race conditions it will be restricting beyond the minimum possibly.

Why the motor let go is a totally other ball of **** that will have to be dealt with on top of figuring out what to do with this kit to make it work as it should.

 

That does make sense

 

i can tell you my turbo regularly sees 120 psi oil pressure without issue, with the 15w40 i see 90-120 cold at idle and about 60 hot idle on 15w40 due to deleting piston squirters and never had a issue. your turbo should have already came with a restrictor installed i know mine came directly from precision with one. below pic shows the restrictor it should have come with.

 

The issue doesn't seem to be the random or repeated high pressure, what seems to be the issue is the constant high pressure. Like I said, I can push it harder than any body would even consider pushing a car on the street and cannot recreate the smoking issue, as soon as it is on the track, after warm up lap once I get on it, it will smoke the whole session and then for about 15 mins in the paddock after session.

So it seems that it can handle random or repeated pressure above the max they claim of 60psi, but a constant that is seen on the track is the issue.

came with a restrictor?? mine came with no such thing..and that is news to me, and Sasha has always said that it does not need a restrictor, so now this adds another question as to why I do not have a restrictor as you do??

after 3 lenghthly conversations with Dennis at PTE he is now leaning to it needing one in this particular case, Luckily Dennis has been and gone over and above and continues to do so, more so than the one I actually bought the kit from in this instance and in fact is following up on the issue and working with me to hopefully get it sorted.

 

Gix stop blaming BP. The kit is literally metal pipes. As long as his welds are good there is NOTHING wrong with it, and you CANNOT find a flaw with it.

I'll be straightforward in what I say here:
We all have nothing to loose or gain in what we say on here. None of us make money from you buying BP parts or when we reccomend a shop etc. If you don't want to follow our advice that's fine BUT it's becoming increasingly clear that either you, your shop, or BOTH parties are INCOMPETENT. You should take your car elsewhere and or consult a shop that knows their ish.
I've called precision and asked them what the psi range can be for their oil pressure, and anywhere from 60-140 is fine. Sometimes even above that is ok. The only reason I did that is because I designed my own mid mount. And I designed an external turbo only oil system with a Turbo Werx Exa pump.

I know that's harsh to say, but you are not comprehending what's going on . And you're gonna get a run around at some point (kind of what you're getting right now). Your shop couldn't unscrew 4 screws and realize foreign material was in your oil pump... I wouldn't trust anything they say from here out honestly. They seem lazy/incompetent/greedy. You clearly don't have the knowledge base to figure things out on your own, so I suggest you go to a good shop. Sound performance, Dynosty, VTR, Mazworx etc. Go somewhere that has a reputation and knows what to do. Otherwise you're going to loose more money, more sleep and more time to a bunch of asswipes.

 

i agree with this. where is the "like" button.

 

Keep in mind that this is based on the same scholar's one sided story, though. If everything went perfectly, he'd have a thread demanding BP to pay for his speeding tickets because the turbo made the car go too fast. That's literally the level of reasoning, here!

There's approximately 2-4% of people who simply cannot be pleased. Look at some of the complaints online for 5-star restaurants. Like, as if some yokel who saved a month's salary to take his baby-momma out for fine dining has the discerning palate to complain that his lobster bisque didn't have the silky, buttery flavor he's "accustomed" to.
My company takes about 1400 of us wage slaves to a Christmas party every year where we get a wonderful plated 5-course meal with free premium liquor, entertainment, a dance and a free cab home and people still find things to complain about. It's astonishing, and it's the same thing, here.
I need to know when BP will release the next "SkyNet Generation" of kits that are self-aware. We all need a turbo that knows how to spin when "racing" exhaust gases are put through it and knows how to spin when exhaust gases from dudes who are "super gentle" on their cars are put through it.

 

Not harsh at all resmarted, like i said I am not blaming BP for anything other than telling me the kit is fine for track use, and for providing me with incorrect information that both precision and R/T have opposite information to give. If precision told you 60-140psi of oil pressure is fine then I guess Dennis @ precision is lying to me in saying min. 10psi and max 60psi?? That doesn't make any sense, and I will stick with what the guy who puts the turbos together, from precision, with his own hands tells me....I will bring what you said up with him when we speak Monday, hopefully he has an explanation of why you are saying a constant psi of over 60 is fine.

As far as the BP kit, you are correct, it is just a bunch of pipe but in my case with a turbo that failed after a few kms and constant over oiling issues on the race track...these are not my guesses, these are facts and what I have been told told are the issues.

I took the pump of myself when it seized, took the cover off, cleaned it out THOUROULGLY and found nothing, I was not about to take the gears of since EXA says that would void any warranty, so I took pics of what I was looking at and there was zero debris, when it got to Sasha, and he pulled the front plate off, the chunk of metal was miraculously right up front in the gears....I am competent enough to know that there was no debris visible after checking through every rung of the gears , how or why it was present when Sasha opened it up is likely due to it jarring loose in shipping, that is the only conclusion we could come to. Do I have the knowledge to build my own motor? NO, neither does 98% of this community, it is not my responsibility to figure out why Th BP kit is not performing as it should, that Is up to the guy I gave my money too, same goes for the motor, you build it, you fix it if it doesn't work as intended

IF R/T tuning is not a competent shop to build VQ motors I would have expected that people would not have always been saying positive things about them in that respect when I have asked time and time again, the fact that Sasha recommended them for tuning and said absolutely nothing when I told him I was going to have them build my motor, but now is saying "I told you to go to Dynosty" tells me that he had no reason to say anything, I would have expected at least one person I have spoken to, pre- build, to say SOMETHING to the affect of do not go there, go elsewhere.

I am not about to drop another 30k with another shop, If R/T was/is not a competent builder then I think we would here about it, so I will let them make it right and go from there, hopefully we can get this BP kit to perform without having it smoke all over the track. If and when that happens I will be satisfied, not until then though....until then this is just an utter waste of time and money and leaves more down time than drive time.

 

The turbo you linked is ball bearing, NOT journal bearing. The ball bearings do come with that extra piece, but not the journal bearing turbos.

The centre sections between the two are completely different.

Here is the JB centre section, the difference is clear: