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Old Mar 12, 2015 | 08:04 PM
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750cc injectors 255lph fuel pump
So basically something is mechanically wrong. My tuner tunes my car, puts it at a base tune to a previous single turbo kit from another car and fully tunes I make 260whp. Once he puts a base na 350z tune I made 315 whp. He advanced timing but only enough to still be safe. It made 360 hp. From my understanding you are supposed to retard timing not advance it, he is a reputable tuner so tune is out of the question. I've been running the car hard since last October and it hasn't blew up. The compression is good and only check engine light is for O2 sensors. I need help I've been thinking maybe go back to stock flywheel, but that's the only thing I think can help. Also I believe my tuner said something about 10degrees are missing or untunable.

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Old Mar 12, 2015 | 08:11 PM
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worst of both worlds!!

Originally Posted by J.baert36
from my understanding you are supposed to retard timing not advance it
Corky Bell, Maximum Boost - 978-0837601601 get it / read it / understand it


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360 hp
360whp on ~8-10psi on a OEM block is about right
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Old Mar 12, 2015 | 08:24 PM
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But it's tuned like its na not fi
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 05:44 AM
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Doesn't Matter what he did... Look at Afr reading s on your dyno sheet...
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by J.baert36
My mods are basically 05 359z single turbonetics kit spacer exhaust z1 flywheel and xtd star 4 clutch
So basically something is mechanically wrong to the point of where my tuner tunes my car puts it at a base tune to a previous single turbo kit from another car and fully tunes and I make 260whp once he puts a base na 350z tune I made 315 whp he advanced timing but only to 360 hp and from my understanding you are supposed to retard timing not advance it, he is a reputable tuner so tine is out of the question I've been running the car hard since last October and it hasn't blew up, compression is good and only check engine light is for O2 sensors I need help I've been thinking maybe go back to stock flywheel, but that's the only thing I think can help
next post, try to use punctuation... it will make it easier to read.

did you upgrade the fuel components?
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 06:13 AM
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There arent enough details here to make any conclusions. Would need to know what supporting upgrades there are, what your max boost is, and AFR's at least.
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by J.baert36
My mods are basically 05 359z single turbonetics kit spacer exhaust z1 flywheel and xtd star 4 clutch
So basically something is mechanically wrong to the point of where my tuner tunes my car puts it at a base tune to a previous single turbo kit from another car and fully tunes and I make 260whp once he puts a base na 350z tune I made 315 whp he advanced timing but only to 360 hp and from my understanding you are supposed to retard timing not advance it, he is a reputable tuner so tine is out of the question I've been running the car hard since last October and it hasn't blew up, compression is good and only check engine light is for O2 sensors I need help I've been thinking maybe go back to stock flywheel, but that's the only thing I think can help
You think you have a serious problem, yet you are running the car hard?

Also, your grammar is atrocious.
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Originally Posted by J.baert36
05 359z
Bored out an extra 15cc per cylinder?
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 09:23 AM
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750cc injectors,lines and 255lph fuel pump not over bored, it obviously was a typo, 8lbs of boost tapering to 7.5

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Originally Posted by Toneloc
Look at Afr reading s on your dyno sheet...
Originally Posted by jdm-v35
Would need to know AFR's at least.
These
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 11:13 AM
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"10 degrees missing"
"tuned like its na"
but...
"he is a reputable tuner so tune is out of the question"

LOL.

If you don't have a dynosheet with AFRs and boost, you are out of luck trying to get an Internet fix. Better yet, what did your reputable tuner have to say?

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His tuner said " pay me a few more hunnets and I get dat three fiddy running like an na because I enjoy tuning turbo cars to run no better then an na..." 360hp is a conservative tune for reliability with out pushing block

No dyno sheet they should shutdown this thread before it catches on fire with flaming.

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Basically he says something mechanical is wrong with the car, because on a base tune from another single turbo z should of produced way more power. More than 260 obviously. From what I understood he said for fi you don't normally add timing you retard it. And I just asked him about what my afr was because its not on the dyno sheet
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Originally Posted by J.baert36
Basically he says something mechanical is wrong with the car, because on a base tune from another single turbo z should of produced way more power. More than 260 obviously. From what I understood he said for fi you don't normally add timing you retard it. And I just asked him about what my afr was because its not on the dyno sheet
You said 360hp on your first post...260hp you better have another shop look over your car and dyno it.. Sounds like your tuner is an idiot and he is the mechanical problem since he can't find the issue... 260hp is 0lbs of boost
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Originally Posted by Toneloc
You said 360hp on your first post...260hp you better have another shop look over your car and dyno it.. Sounds like your tuner is an idiot and he is the mechanical problem since he can't find the issue... 260hp is 0lbs of boost
I'm not a tuner but The way it's supposed to be tuned it won't make power, but with a more na like tune it will make power, Dynocomp in Phoenix, Xactdyno and Evan from Es tuned all had the same tuning issues
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 05:34 PM
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Afr is from 12.2-12.5
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Originally Posted by Toneloc
360hp is a conservative tune for reliability with out pushing block
If I was OP's tuner I would tune this thing to 85% of it's full capability - you know he is gonna fork up his engine and blame it on the tune!
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Originally Posted by J.baert36
Basically he says something mechanical is wrong with the car, because on a base tune from another single turbo z should of produced way more power. More than 260 obviously. From what I understood he said for fi you don't normally add timing you retard it. And I just asked him about what my afr was because its not on the dyno sheet
every car is different, so he tune that worked for that car, won't necessarily do the same thing for your car. i think he doesn't know what he is doing
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 06:01 PM
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that AFR is a bit dangerous. and it all sounds sketchy.. time to find a better more knowledgeable tuner....
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Old Mar 13, 2015 | 07:27 PM
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You will make more power running it leaner. You will make more power advancing timing up to mean best timing. You will detonate (knock) if you run too lean and if you try to reach MBT depending on a number of factors (namely fuel, heat and peak cylinder pressures).

If you can afford it, send the car to Dynosty in KY to get sorted out.
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