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Old Feb 15, 2020 | 10:13 AM
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All really good points ... I appreciate your opinions & thoughts Otaku

Originally Posted by 0taku
If you’re only seeking 600hp, the billet girdle isn’t really necessary until you’re pushing past 800.
It may not be - I dont have any significant data that say it is. But when you look at the JZ engine, the LS, and the HR/VHR all have very stout bottom ends ... much more fortified that what the DE has. For $300 you can fortify the DE's bottom end is worth it to me.

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I also suggest looking into the Link G4+, the support/community is amazing.
You can download their software for free and poke around in the software. The downside to Link vs. Haltech is the software is much more complicated (from my point of view, I havent seen any new / newer Haltech Management Software) but it took me a little time to get used to it. But they have top notch customer support and the 'help' menu in the Link is absolutely hands down amazing ...

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Honestly I don’t think a twin pump is necessary. Look into the new brushless pumps by Deatschwerks. I wish I knew about this before I dumped a lot of money into a twin pump.

https://www.deatschwerks.com/blog/de...and-controller
I hit 568 on my DW 320lph, I subsequently put a 525lph in my OEM basket (althought its flowing throught the OEM 5mm connection) ... it sounds like OP already has this basket though.

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Personally I think you’ll hit 600hp without cams on e85 although your turbo efficiency won’t be at its best. (Honestly doesn’t really matter if you’re going eBay turbos anyways) I could be wrong because the very low compression might hurt.
All valid statements ... If would keep the low comp pistons and run gasoline.

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I can attest to uprev being too stubborn on E85 on high power. Without flexfuel management, I’ve had too many problems with the tunes being unstable with any chance of a steady idle. (On 2200cc injectors)
agreed ... many people use E85 with uprev but I think they it's a gamble and a compromise.

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I'm definitely not buying used ebay turbos. The ones I found were $100 a piece new, and have my desired .63ar exhaust size housing. Of course if these break my life won't be a complete pain however, because mid mount twin turbos can be removed fairly easily, and without having to pull the engine. Heres a link to the turbos I want to use, I'm just guessing on sizes. Let me know if you think I should go with a different size other than the .63: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071KBV97L...07SX6JJQ2?th=1
Ok good! I was gonna worry - If you can swing it, put Kinugawa turbos in the car ... Alot of subaru guys, S13/S14 guys, and myself included used them and they are pretty good. Solely in my opinion, Its a massive PITA to remove twins if/when something goes wrong. And pushing the blowers to 16psi to 18psi, something will go wrong ... I think a .63 AR is about right - I'm no expert but see if you can reference what a greddy/mitsubishi 18g or 20g blower is equivilent to? I believe the 18g is a .49AR - from here:

http://www.stealth316.com/2-turboguide.htm#tn

if you can confirm this I might consider dropping each blower down to .5 to .55 as the greddy/mitsubishi are fully capable of hitting 600.

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I know a local shop that offers injector cleaning so I'll hit them up.
always a smart move ... I clean/flow test each time I take my block down ... a faulty injector can ruin your weekend.

Originally Posted by yag
The haltech I was looking into was the platinum pro pnp standalone, seller said he'd ship for 1100. But y'all definitely got me considering the link. Still haven't gotten around to doing research on that yet, but I'll let you know what I decide.
$1100 sounds like a good deal for a standalone...do you have emissions requirements?

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I'm gonna be pulling my stock engine and tranny with a friend of mine who has done it a few times. I'm swapping in a cd009, even though my trans is doing well and not grinding I figured it would be worth it for me to make the upgrade.
Cool - it's not hard but it is time consuming ... while the engine is out, look into solid engine mounts and a poly transmission mount.
Also factor in a transfluid change (you probably already factored this in)

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What header gaskets do you recommend? I'm leaning towards oem.
I always go with OEM ... in reality, no head gasket is going to save you from a bad tune or detonation ... I also have my heads machined, cleaned, and spark plug threads chased when the heads come off.

Originally Posted by yag
I appreciate it! My g was vinyl wrapped as a diy project of mine, and I'm getting ready to change the color again because I'm getting bored of it lol. Your single turbo setup is easily the best design I've ever seen. Can't wait to see what kind of numbers you make.
It looks good...I like that nothing on the car is extreme, love the RPF1s and spoiler too! you did good. And thanks ... I've bleeding the coolant system now and if I can build this turbo setup for a buddy's G35 I'll take that cash and use it for my tune.

well see how the turbo setup performs ... when I sold my greddy twins, I made a point to eliminate as much exhaust pipe volume and intake volume(to reduce compression lag) and get a legit ball-bearing turbo. It just made sense to do a front mount/reversed header setup. The major downside is that I'm very front-heavy ... I think I'm lighter than the greddy setup but my 'center of mass' is infront of the engine (which I dont like).

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Old Feb 15, 2020 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bealljk

I hit 568 on my DW 320lph, I subsequently put a 525lph in my OEM basket (althought its flowing throught the OEM 5mm connection) ... it sounds like OP already has this basket though.
Still it's pretty unique that it's got its own boost a pump system. Damn thing goes up to 620lph for a single pump that requires no modifications.
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Old Feb 15, 2020 | 12:43 PM
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I definitely know theres better options now. At the time I really should have done more research before buying the twin pump basket. However I did get a good deal on it for sure.

I don't have emissions, and a buddy of mine does my inspections so I stay catless, with heavy window tint, and dump my pvc to atmosphere lol.

I didn't mean head gaskets, I meant exhaust header/manifold gaskets. I already have an hks head gasket in the block right now.

Perhaps you can make multiple kits like that, maybe one of these days I'll switch to your single setup to try to make big power.

I see what you mean with weight distribution, maybe put your battery and radiator in the back.
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Old Feb 15, 2020 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by yag
I definitely know theres better options now. At the time I really should have done more research before buying the twin pump basket. However I did get a good deal on it for sure.

I don't have emissions, and a buddy of mine does my inspections so I stay catless, with heavy window tint, and dump my pvc to atmosphere lol.

I didn't mean head gaskets, I meant exhaust header/manifold gaskets. I already have an hks head gasket in the block right now.

Perhaps you can make multiple kits like that, maybe one of these days I'll switch to your single setup to try to make big power.

I see what you mean with weight distribution, maybe put your battery and radiator in the back.

It's all good and the twin pump basket is the 'right' way to do it ... so keep it and run with it.

OEM gaskets are fine...

I couldnt replicate the headers as they are very specific to my application. Power steering delete, no AC, heavily modified radiator/shroud setup, no structural bumper, etc ...

If someone really really really wanted this engine/turbo/header/exhaust setup, I'd sell it but it would come with a clean title, gutted 350z.

I ran a battery in the trunk and it didnt work well for me ... I think I lost charge due to the length of wire between the battery and the fuse block. Further, it's an 11lb battery mounted in the passenger side footwell.

radiator to the trunk??? Hmmmmmm...has potential
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Old Feb 15, 2020 | 02:54 PM
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I knew you probably had to remove ps pump but didn't remember that ac condenser is in the way too, for a daily I need my ac lol. Still impressive the amount of work that has gone into your z, I really love it.

Why did you make the switch from haltech to link?
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Old Feb 16, 2020 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yag
I knew you probably had to remove ps pump but didn't remember that ac condenser is in the way too, for a daily I need my ac lol. Still impressive the amount of work that has gone into your z, I really love it.

Why did you make the switch from haltech to link?
I removed AC a long time ago ... Im much better with extreme heat than I am extreme cold - just wired that way. Further, this isnt a daily, so its not a big deal...I hear ya though!

I was running a platinum piggy back and it had a few inherent issues picking up the camshaft sensor signal and it'd turn VTC off (which was a 80 to 100ft-lbs loss as it happened on the dyno a few times). I'm sure theyve corrected this by now. But my older haltech didnt have the newer features that modern standalones have. Link also has 5 or 6 sensor inputs that can safeguard the engine in the case of a given parameter falling out of tolerance - meaning if fuel or oil pressure suddenly falls, or if coolant pressure spikes (although if this happens it's already too late). So I can setup tables to restrict the engine speed if something goes unexpected.

A fellow member recommended the link and I used the same tuner and had a pretty good experience. Also price point, I sold my circa 2009 haltech, wideband controllers, and other goodies for $1200 or so? maybe $1300?(I dont remember) and the Link with a semicustom base map was $1300. I purchase some nice AEM pressure sensors, used my AEM UEGO for wideband fuel control, and an autometer fuel pressure sensor.

It should be stated that Im comparing apples to oranges ... Im comparing an ECU from 2009 to an ECU from 2017 ... I'm sure haltech has some if not all the newer features but I cant find anyone that runs their higher-end ECUs (say, the Elite and above). To that point, I'm sure the Elite does have similar features but is also three times the price...so??

do your research, talk to people that have real world experience with either.
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Old Feb 16, 2020 | 02:19 PM
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I'm continuing my research, and after playing around with the software link seems to be what I'm leaning towards, you're converting me lol. But because it's not used as much the haltech it's harder to find vq specific info, and it definitely seems complex, especially to a complete tuning newbie like me.
Do you run boost by gear?

Also, yes I have poly trans and engine mounts as well. Hopefully the vibrations aren't too bad.
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