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06-22-2004, 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by axxizzer
I have the stillen stage 3 and all I can say is wow! It was an easy-enough install (compared to horror stories about the TT and/or the Vortech install/tune) and it offers great torque down-low. I think it perfectly accents the engine bay and with my stillen headers. exhaust, and strut bar. It handles well and makes awesome power. Also, it's fairly cheap! Right between the Vortech and Ati. It makes good enough boost for my purposes (ocasional tracking/ streeting) and doesnt sacrifice much in the way of traction. I love the CF hood, and soon hope to complete my stillen package with thier intake, flywheel (or maybe 350Evo). I love the fact that Stillen keeps coming out with new Stages and each gains significant power on the last. I am glad to have this 'charger and wouldnt trade in for any other system out there.
I have the stillen stage 3 and all I can say is wow! It was an easy-enough install (compared to horror stories about the TT and/or the Vortech install/tune) and it offers great torque down-low. I think it perfectly accents the engine bay and with my stillen headers. exhaust, and strut bar. It handles well and makes awesome power. Also, it's fairly cheap! Right between the Vortech and Ati. It makes good enough boost for my purposes (ocasional tracking/ streeting) and doesnt sacrifice much in the way of traction. I love the CF hood, and soon hope to complete my stillen package with thier intake, flywheel (or maybe 350Evo). I love the fact that Stillen keeps coming out with new Stages and each gains significant power on the last. I am glad to have this 'charger and wouldnt trade in for any other system out there.
06-23-2004, 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by weslutes
I also have the Stillen stage 3 & am contemplating on purchasing the headers along with high flow cats.The only problem is that when I install the headers & cats,I will supposidly loose boost.I'd like to see some dyno runs from your car knowing you have the headers.Anyways,I love the power.I was able to beat the hell out of my SCed G35 at Willow Springs with no problems besides the glazing of all my rotors & the wear on my tires(which literally turned blue from the heat). I'm starting to think the hood & bumper aren't so bad after all.
I also have the Stillen stage 3 & am contemplating on purchasing the headers along with high flow cats.The only problem is that when I install the headers & cats,I will supposidly loose boost.I'd like to see some dyno runs from your car knowing you have the headers.Anyways,I love the power.I was able to beat the hell out of my SCed G35 at Willow Springs with no problems besides the glazing of all my rotors & the wear on my tires(which literally turned blue from the heat). I'm starting to think the hood & bumper aren't so bad after all.
06-23-2004, 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by DBZ33
Hey everyone. My car bone stock with ground wires put down 246 RWHP. I was very excited to hear that before the install. The install was done at CJ-Motorsports in West Chicago. They are on this forum under the name “Phunk” his name is Charles I’m sure some of you know him. He has a Greddy twin turbo kit on his Black track 350z. The car with the kit not tuned put down 350 RWHP and after tuning it put down the 371 RWHP and he left it kind of rich because he wanted to be safe and I was happy with the power until I get more mod’s. I will be getting test pipes, headers, and an exhaust very soon. I hope to be in the low 400’s to the wheels with those mods and some more tuning.
Me and Charles just got back from the track tonight. My best run was a 13.1 at 110mph with a 2.19 60ft. I count not hook no matter what I did. I have the stock 18 wheels and tires with 13,000 miles on them. It would have wheel hop all the way through first gear, and it was so bad I missed second gear twice. I was pissed. The track was so packed tonight I got 3 runs in 4hrs and missed second twice. I was happy with my trap speed. Well I got to go to bed now I have work in the morning. Later.
Hey everyone. My car bone stock with ground wires put down 246 RWHP. I was very excited to hear that before the install. The install was done at CJ-Motorsports in West Chicago. They are on this forum under the name “Phunk” his name is Charles I’m sure some of you know him. He has a Greddy twin turbo kit on his Black track 350z. The car with the kit not tuned put down 350 RWHP and after tuning it put down the 371 RWHP and he left it kind of rich because he wanted to be safe and I was happy with the power until I get more mod’s. I will be getting test pipes, headers, and an exhaust very soon. I hope to be in the low 400’s to the wheels with those mods and some more tuning.
Me and Charles just got back from the track tonight. My best run was a 13.1 at 110mph with a 2.19 60ft. I count not hook no matter what I did. I have the stock 18 wheels and tires with 13,000 miles on them. It would have wheel hop all the way through first gear, and it was so bad I missed second gear twice. I was pissed. The track was so packed tonight I got 3 runs in 4hrs and missed second twice. I was happy with my trap speed. Well I got to go to bed now I have work in the morning. Later.
Nice times by the way. I did a 13.1 at 104 (stock worn tires etc) my only time at the track with my Z. The main difference with me is that I had to (auto)shift at 4.5 rpms because the tcm didn't know what to do with the power of the S/C. Since than I have fixed the shifting (plus added some serious power) and will be looking for a low 12, maybe high 11 sec run.
06-23-2004, 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by booger
You may lose a little boost but you will gain power from the header and cats . Dont go with the RT cats though . Alot a them going bad on this motor
You may lose a little boost but you will gain power from the header and cats . Dont go with the RT cats though . Alot a them going bad on this motor
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
06-23-2004, 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by whosdady
The losing boost part isn't right. Do you really think guys would add a plenum and headers if it decreased boost? It would not make sense. 12 sec (AKA) Max has both headers and a plenum and is making more boost than me using a lower rated psi pulley.
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
The losing boost part isn't right. Do you really think guys would add a plenum and headers if it decreased boost? It would not make sense. 12 sec (AKA) Max has both headers and a plenum and is making more boost than me using a lower rated psi pulley.
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
after some belt adjusting, and BOV adjusting, i was able to eclipse the 7 mark....
now, if that new puck would just get here.......
06-23-2004, 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by whosdady
Thanks for posting your stock hp numbers. Was this done on the same dyno? If so it confirms my earlier statements.
Nice times by the way. I did a 13.1 at 104 (stock worn tires etc) my only time at the track with my Z. The main difference with me is that I had to (auto)shift at 4.5 rpms because the tcm didn't know what to do with the power of the S/C. Since than I have fixed the shifting (plus added some serious power) and will be looking for a low 12, maybe high 11 sec run.
Thanks for posting your stock hp numbers. Was this done on the same dyno? If so it confirms my earlier statements.
Nice times by the way. I did a 13.1 at 104 (stock worn tires etc) my only time at the track with my Z. The main difference with me is that I had to (auto)shift at 4.5 rpms because the tcm didn't know what to do with the power of the S/C. Since than I have fixed the shifting (plus added some serious power) and will be looking for a low 12, maybe high 11 sec run.
Yes this was done on the same dyno. Your car should be in the low 12's or high 11's for sure. good Luck...
06-23-2004, 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by esemes
btw, i am now at 8lbs solid, (although its revv-limiter time very soon thereafter!)
after some belt adjusting, and BOV adjusting, i was able to eclipse the 7 mark....
now, if that new puck would just get here.......
btw, i am now at 8lbs solid, (although its revv-limiter time very soon thereafter!)
after some belt adjusting, and BOV adjusting, i was able to eclipse the 7 mark....
now, if that new puck would just get here.......
I'm glad you solved your PSI issue. It sounds like it could have been the bypass/blow off valve that was causing your problem. Hopefully mine is that simple.
DBZ33,
Thanks, it sounds like you will be there soon enough. What exhaust, headers, test pipes are you looking at? May I also reccomend a plenum...It also sounds like you need to get new tires
I've been researching this lately as I have been told my tires are practically bald. Back in the supra days the best tires guys ran (street and track) were the BF kw/kd. They are not so good in the wet weather but they are amazing on dry pavement. There is a another tire made by Goodyear that is supposed to be almost as good in the dry weather but much better during rain. Its called the G3 something. Good luck and let me know if you want any advise on the other bolt ons.
06-23-2004, 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by whosdady
The losing boost part isn't right. Do you really think guys would add a plenum and headers if it decreased boost? It would not make sense. 12 sec (AKA) Max has both headers and a plenum and is making more boost than me using a lower rated psi pulley.
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
The losing boost part isn't right. Do you really think guys would add a plenum and headers if it decreased boost? It would not make sense. 12 sec (AKA) Max has both headers and a plenum and is making more boost than me using a lower rated psi pulley.
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
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06-23-2004, 04:43 PM
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boog--
i wonder if its due toi the ecu trying to return to a factory ideal range of operation....
with the piggy, can we keep fooling it (with headers?))
interesting; i will ask my tuner next week, when i remapp for the new goodies (got the belt today, but, the fatty gates is still longer than 93") (rated ½" shorter than the goodyear thinskin however......
i wonder if its due toi the ecu trying to return to a factory ideal range of operation....
with the piggy, can we keep fooling it (with headers?))
interesting; i will ask my tuner next week, when i remapp for the new goodies (got the belt today, but, the fatty gates is still longer than 93") (rated ½" shorter than the goodyear thinskin however......
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Originally posted by whosdady
The losing boost part isn't right. Do you really think guys would add a plenum and headers if it decreased boost? It would not make sense. 12 sec (AKA) Max has both headers and a plenum and is making more boost than me using a lower rated psi pulley.
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
The losing boost part isn't right. Do you really think guys would add a plenum and headers if it decreased boost? It would not make sense. 12 sec (AKA) Max has both headers and a plenum and is making more boost than me using a lower rated psi pulley.
I haven't heard this rumor since the ATI kit came out. Many thought that since they weren't making full boost that it was the fault of the plenum, headers or cats but has since been proven incorrect. There are many other resaons you may not be making full boost. Believe me I know, I am looking for them right now
I 110% agree about the RT cats...
06-23-2004, 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by LSs1Power
Psi is basically a restriction of pressure in the intake manifold because the motor can only take so much boost in. So if u have better headers or intake manifold u should see less boost on ur gauge because there is more psi getting in and out of the motor hence the extra power u see regardless of the boost reading(most likely lower on a SC'd car). Most SC guys tend to put a smaller pulley to raise the boost levels after headers, cam, and intake manifold ,etc… because more air is entering the engine.
Psi is basically a restriction of pressure in the intake manifold because the motor can only take so much boost in. So if u have better headers or intake manifold u should see less boost on ur gauge because there is more psi getting in and out of the motor hence the extra power u see regardless of the boost reading(most likely lower on a SC'd car). Most SC guys tend to put a smaller pulley to raise the boost levels after headers, cam, and intake manifold ,etc… because more air is entering the engine.
Booger, you are running basically test pipes since you hollowed out your RT cats. (This eliminated a lot of pressure) Did your boost go down? To my knowledge, all of the guys that thought they had this problem learned it was something else that was lowering the boost. If I'm not mistaken, esemes is putting an exhaust on his car soon and I would not predict a decrease in his boost. Ask your shop if they have seen this occur with a G or Z.
There is a guy in NC that has every bolt on possible (including cams) to free up pressure and he is boosting the highest PSI out of anyone with the stock 9pis pulley size. So go figure.
Again, I know this is theory is true for other cars but it is more like a rumor with the 350Z/G.
06-23-2004, 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by whosdady
I agree with you 100% about this theory... If the pressure decreases enough this could happen. However, I don't think there are enough bolt ons (made for our car) effect that much pressure. Maybe it requires more boost or a car that has serious stock restictions like a V8 Mustang or Camero?
Booger, you are running basically test pipes since you hollowed out your RT cats. (This eliminated a lot of pressure) Did your boost go down? To my knowledge, all of the guys that thought they had this problem learned it was something else that was lowering the boost. If I'm not mistaken, esemes is putting an exhaust on his car soon and I would not predict a decrease in his boost. Ask your shop if they have seen this occur with a G or Z.
There is a guy in NC that has every bolt on possible (including cams) to free up pressure and he is boosting the highest PSI out of anyone with the stock 9pis pulley size. So go figure.
Again, I know this is theory is true for other cars but it is more like a rumor with the 350Z/G.
I agree with you 100% about this theory... If the pressure decreases enough this could happen. However, I don't think there are enough bolt ons (made for our car) effect that much pressure. Maybe it requires more boost or a car that has serious stock restictions like a V8 Mustang or Camero?
Booger, you are running basically test pipes since you hollowed out your RT cats. (This eliminated a lot of pressure) Did your boost go down? To my knowledge, all of the guys that thought they had this problem learned it was something else that was lowering the boost. If I'm not mistaken, esemes is putting an exhaust on his car soon and I would not predict a decrease in his boost. Ask your shop if they have seen this occur with a G or Z.
There is a guy in NC that has every bolt on possible (including cams) to free up pressure and he is boosting the highest PSI out of anyone with the stock 9pis pulley size. So go figure.
Again, I know this is theory is true for other cars but it is more like a rumor with the 350Z/G.
tomorrow i am installing the fuji exhaust and Y alomg with crawfoird h/f cats..... i havent gottent the new pulley in yet, so 'ill have a direct comparo to make on the boost readings.... (also will have the mapping fine tuned to further exploit the new exh. gas flow)..still no headers for now!
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My first name is Scott. I kind of inherited the screen name as it was a joke back in college and my friends still refer to me by this sometimes. It has kind of stuck. My wife hates it Since my second child, my wife wants me to change it to imadady. I guess I still use it (whosdady) because it makes me laugh as well. Also a lot of others know me by this name on other forums.
I will bet money your boost doesn't change at all. With more mods maybe slightly at first but would probably adjust quickly. I don't mean to sound like that theory is impossible to occur but I have yet to see/hear about it on our cars.
Since my second child, my wife wants me to change it to imadady. I guess I still use it (whosdady) because it makes me laugh as well. Also a lot of others know me by this name on other forums.I will bet money your boost doesn't change at all. With more mods maybe slightly at first but would probably adjust quickly. I don't mean to sound like that theory is impossible to occur but I have yet to see/hear about it on our cars.
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i actually heard from a Z owner that he pulled 8.5lbs (stock vortech) with a catback.... (not sure if there were headers)
either way, im hoping for gains of some regard (even if only audible)
(scott here too)
anyway, i have drifted this topic out to sea....... wilson????
-eS
either way, im hoping for gains of some regard (even if only audible)
(scott here too)
anyway, i have drifted this topic out to sea....... wilson????
-eS
06-23-2004, 10:15 PM
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If the boost readings doesnt change after exhaust or headers install then u guys have a good set of stock headers and exhaust from the factory. What are the gains N/A from headers and exhaust to the wheels? I guess its around 10-20rwhp right?
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Yes gains have been seen anywhere from 10-25rwhp from headers and exhaust on this car while N/A. With the plenum adding even more, when used in conjunction with the others.
I can take a piture of my old stock headers. They look poorly designed. Especailly when you put them next to a set of Crawford headers.
The stock exhaust is not much better but gains are shown there as well when you upgrade. I will take a wild guess and say esemes will gain about 12rwhp after exhaust and h/f cats from his stock dyno. (boost will stay the same right at 8 PSI) If he added headers, I think he would gain another 13rwhp on top of that and his boost would stay pegged at 8 PSI.
Again, every car reacts slightly different to mods (and some dynos are more generous or greedy than others) but that seems like the average I have seen.
I can take a piture of my old stock headers. They look poorly designed. Especailly when you put them next to a set of Crawford headers.
The stock exhaust is not much better but gains are shown there as well when you upgrade. I will take a wild guess and say esemes will gain about 12rwhp after exhaust and h/f cats from his stock dyno. (boost will stay the same right at 8 PSI) If he added headers, I think he would gain another 13rwhp on top of that and his boost would stay pegged at 8 PSI.
Again, every car reacts slightly different to mods (and some dynos are more generous or greedy than others) but that seems like the average I have seen.
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That and a few bags of ice and also a little co2 or nos to spray on the intercooler
Just so you know, I have never used any of these items while dynoing my Z. But it was normal for guys to use this stuff while dynoing supras. Supras are notoriuos for being dyno queens. I have personally seen a couple supras make 900rwhp.
Just so you know, I have never used any of these items while dynoing my Z. But it was normal for guys to use this stuff while dynoing supras. Supras are notoriuos for being dyno queens. I have personally seen a couple supras make 900rwhp.
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Originally posted by whosdady
That and a few bags of ice and also a little co2 or nos to spray on the intercooler
Just so you know, I have never used any of these items while dynoing my Z. But it was normal for guys to use this stuff while dynoing supras. Supras are notoriuos for being dyno queens. I have personally seen a couple supras make 900rwhp.
That and a few bags of ice and also a little co2 or nos to spray on the intercooler
Just so you know, I have never used any of these items while dynoing my Z. But it was normal for guys to use this stuff while dynoing supras. Supras are notoriuos for being dyno queens. I have personally seen a couple supras make 900rwhp.
hadnt thought of the ice......
maybe i can turn my car into a good humor mobile??
hey scott---
i just got off the phone w/ a company that will sell me the walbro 190l pump (new, with filter and o-ring) for 90$ shipped.....
thoughts on this fitting w/o shaving the clip??? i think ma upgrade this, to help ensure the new puck will be a smooth transition (even though im going to remap, i dont think i want to rely on the stock pump to pull fuel out of the tank anymore ... i know the aux unit will be okay, but im still limited by the effectiveness of the oem pickup)
-scott
ps- time to start a new thread, after my sstuff arives today (not even sure wtf this thread is about anymore!)