Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit..Pics/Videos
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
I can see your point on the demand for a tuner kit from the market and I have relayed this to brad so it will remain to be seen if they do indeed offer this. However one statement you made I believe is incorrect...I dont think your assesment of the "upward mobility" of this kit is correct. This kit is good for 650 RWHP when tuned for it and set to roughly 16-20 PSI. This is at the very LEAST in line with the TT kits out there. At the current moment there are very few zs over the 600 RWHP mark and they are of course using the TT kits. And of course we are talking in the hypothetical that you paid for the kit as i layed out. So basically you will actually get the SAME peak horespower as the TT kit for about $1000 less then a TT kit and of course that is using the Greddy example. if you were to substitute this with the APS, PE, SSr, etc kit you are talking thousands less.
I can see your point on the demand for a tuner kit from the market and I have relayed this to brad so it will remain to be seen if they do indeed offer this. However one statement you made I believe is incorrect...I dont think your assesment of the "upward mobility" of this kit is correct. This kit is good for 650 RWHP when tuned for it and set to roughly 16-20 PSI. This is at the very LEAST in line with the TT kits out there. At the current moment there are very few zs over the 600 RWHP mark and they are of course using the TT kits. And of course we are talking in the hypothetical that you paid for the kit as i layed out. So basically you will actually get the SAME peak horespower as the TT kit for about $1000 less then a TT kit and of course that is using the Greddy example. if you were to substitute this with the APS, PE, SSr, etc kit you are talking thousands less.
Originally posted by kcobean
Point taken. It would be interesting to see what the mid-range graph looks like on a car tuned for that kind of power. Has Turbonetics done that yet?
Point taken. It would be interesting to see what the mid-range graph looks like on a car tuned for that kind of power. Has Turbonetics done that yet?
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
i dont see how you can label this the "poor mans way" of tuning. This is not the only turbo kit using a TS reflash as its tuning method. Power Enterprise a rather expensive and rather nice kit also happens to use this as its only means of tuning. Furthermore the fuel issue is by no means a poor mans solution. What other kits include 380Ccs injectors that drop in. No cutting, splicing, or replacing of the injector harness at all? How many kits come with a Walbro 255 lph drop in fuel pump and regualtor? I can tell you that there are none in the price range. Not even close. Yes while the costs of this kit are less so is the price. how many turbo kits including all that I mentioned, front mount intercooler, etc are availabe for roughly $4700? This is by no means a "poor mans" kit. It actually includes quite a bit a nice things for its price point. This kit was never intended to compete directly with the TT kits. Although the power output is quite similar this kits market is those looking for something between the centrfig SCs and the TT kits. I believe it fills that gap well and at a great price point for what you get. Granted the TS reflash for tuning has been beat to death. In the end it will be up to Turbonetics if they decide to produce a "tuner" version of this kit. But even in its current form it is a great product at a great price that performs...
i dont see how you can label this the "poor mans way" of tuning. This is not the only turbo kit using a TS reflash as its tuning method. Power Enterprise a rather expensive and rather nice kit also happens to use this as its only means of tuning. Furthermore the fuel issue is by no means a poor mans solution. What other kits include 380Ccs injectors that drop in. No cutting, splicing, or replacing of the injector harness at all? How many kits come with a Walbro 255 lph drop in fuel pump and regualtor? I can tell you that there are none in the price range. Not even close. Yes while the costs of this kit are less so is the price. how many turbo kits including all that I mentioned, front mount intercooler, etc are availabe for roughly $4700? This is by no means a "poor mans" kit. It actually includes quite a bit a nice things for its price point. This kit was never intended to compete directly with the TT kits. Although the power output is quite similar this kits market is those looking for something between the centrfig SCs and the TT kits. I believe it fills that gap well and at a great price point for what you get. Granted the TS reflash for tuning has been beat to death. In the end it will be up to Turbonetics if they decide to produce a "tuner" version of this kit. But even in its current form it is a great product at a great price that performs...
"don't mean to be negative, but to me its like the poor man's setup. The fuel management way, not the turbo setup. "
I said the FUEL MANAGEMENT is a bit on the "poor" side, perhaps it was done to keep costs down? who know's, whatever the reason be. Um greddy comes with 440cc injectors, sure you have to cut and splice them but its not like its rocket science? Fuel pumps could be bought for less than $200.00 if that were to be a MAJOR ISSUE? Im not sure what this kit really comes with as far as little parts like Oil Pan? does this kit offer an oil pan or do you have to cut weld your own or buy an aftermarkt one? Do you have a detailed breakdown on all the parts included?
Originally posted by Wicked4u2c
MIA please read my post's carefully as I NEVER SAID this kits was a "poorman's turbo kit" This is what I put...
"don't mean to be negative, but to me its like the poor man's setup. The fuel management way, not the turbo setup. "
I said the FUEL MANAGEMENT is a bit on the "poor" side, perhaps it was done to keep costs down? who know's, whatever the reason be. Um greddy comes with 440cc injectors, sure you have to cut and splice them but its not like its rocket science? Fuel pumps could be bought for less than $200.00 if that were to be a MAJOR ISSUE? Im not sure what this kit really comes with as far as little parts like Oil Pan? does this kit offer an oil pan or do you have to cut weld your own or buy an aftermarkt one? Do you have a detailed breakdown on all the parts included?
MIA please read my post's carefully as I NEVER SAID this kits was a "poorman's turbo kit" This is what I put...
"don't mean to be negative, but to me its like the poor man's setup. The fuel management way, not the turbo setup. "
I said the FUEL MANAGEMENT is a bit on the "poor" side, perhaps it was done to keep costs down? who know's, whatever the reason be. Um greddy comes with 440cc injectors, sure you have to cut and splice them but its not like its rocket science? Fuel pumps could be bought for less than $200.00 if that were to be a MAJOR ISSUE? Im not sure what this kit really comes with as far as little parts like Oil Pan? does this kit offer an oil pan or do you have to cut weld your own or buy an aftermarkt one? Do you have a detailed breakdown on all the parts included?
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
i have the major components list but not the exact list no. As for the "poor mans" comment I apologize if I read incorrectly. However, it is nice to not have to hack up your stock injector harness to install the new ones. And yes a pump is $200 but its $200 you dont have to spend if you get one with the kit. IMO this is what made the APS kit such a favorite. The little details that stop you from having headaches or having to hack up your stock stuff. Little details like a new pump capable to hand just about any HP you plan to push (within reason of course). I guess I'm just trying to point out that although your opinion of the TS reflash is that it is the "poor mans" solution for tuning this fuel system is by no means a poor mans setup as a whole.
i have the major components list but not the exact list no. As for the "poor mans" comment I apologize if I read incorrectly. However, it is nice to not have to hack up your stock injector harness to install the new ones. And yes a pump is $200 but its $200 you dont have to spend if you get one with the kit. IMO this is what made the APS kit such a favorite. The little details that stop you from having headaches or having to hack up your stock stuff. Little details like a new pump capable to hand just about any HP you plan to push (within reason of course). I guess I'm just trying to point out that although your opinion of the TS reflash is that it is the "poor mans" solution for tuning this fuel system is by no means a poor mans setup as a whole.
Originally posted by kcobean
Since you're talking about the "little details", the proposed (and very desired) tuner kit should include a plug-in piggyback harness for the very purpose of avoiding the need to hack up the stock harness. Now THAT would be an awesome kit. I get the butterflies just thinking about it!
Since you're talking about the "little details", the proposed (and very desired) tuner kit should include a plug-in piggyback harness for the very purpose of avoiding the need to hack up the stock harness. Now THAT would be an awesome kit. I get the butterflies just thinking about it!
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
I'll talk to Brad but I think that would be going a little far. I dont think anyone provides that....
I'll talk to Brad but I think that would be going a little far. I dont think anyone provides that....
).It's interesting that with all of the harness-hacking that goes on these days, someone hasn't commercialized this yet. Oh well, still looking forward to seeing this kit in it's final (and hopefully tuner-friendly
) form. Thanks again for taking time to respond to all these posts!
Originally posted by kcobean
Yeah, I haven't heard of another kit that includes this. I was really kidding (but it would be sweet! ).
It's interesting that with all of the harness-hacking that goes on these days, someone hasn't commercialized this yet. Oh well, still looking forward to seeing this kit in it's final (and hopefully tuner-friendly ) form. Thanks again for taking time to respond to all these posts!
Yeah, I haven't heard of another kit that includes this. I was really kidding (but it would be sweet!
).It's interesting that with all of the harness-hacking that goes on these days, someone hasn't commercialized this yet. Oh well, still looking forward to seeing this kit in it's final (and hopefully tuner-friendly
) form. Thanks again for taking time to respond to all these posts!
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
i have the major components list but not the exact list no. As for the "poor mans" comment I apologize if I read incorrectly. However, it is nice to not have to hack up your stock injector harness to install the new ones. And yes a pump is $200 but its $200 you dont have to spend if you get one with the kit. IMO this is what made the APS kit such a favorite. The little details that stop you from having headaches or having to hack up your stock stuff. Little details like a new pump capable to hand just about any HP you plan to push (within reason of course). I guess I'm just trying to point out that although your opinion of the TS reflash is that it is the "poor mans" solution for tuning this fuel system is by no means a poor mans setup as a whole.
i have the major components list but not the exact list no. As for the "poor mans" comment I apologize if I read incorrectly. However, it is nice to not have to hack up your stock injector harness to install the new ones. And yes a pump is $200 but its $200 you dont have to spend if you get one with the kit. IMO this is what made the APS kit such a favorite. The little details that stop you from having headaches or having to hack up your stock stuff. Little details like a new pump capable to hand just about any HP you plan to push (within reason of course). I guess I'm just trying to point out that although your opinion of the TS reflash is that it is the "poor mans" solution for tuning this fuel system is by no means a poor mans setup as a whole.
Originally posted by TECHNOSQUARE
Note that this is not a Technosquare ECU reflash. We have sold Turbonetics a Tectom ReFlash kit that they will tune to their own specific needs.
Note that this is not a Technosquare ECU reflash. We have sold Turbonetics a Tectom ReFlash kit that they will tune to their own specific needs.
Originally posted by Wicked4u2c
Yes, that is very nice to not have to hack your old harness. And installation is a breeze! Ok, lets get the "poorman's" comment out of the way. Lets just say the reflash isnt the most safest and recommended method for tuning. Again, hope they do make a "Tuner" kit that would be awesome combined with AEM than its a true WINNER!
Yes, that is very nice to not have to hack your old harness. And installation is a breeze! Ok, lets get the "poorman's" comment out of the way. Lets just say the reflash isnt the most safest and recommended method for tuning. Again, hope they do make a "Tuner" kit that would be awesome combined with AEM than its a true WINNER!
Ok, I have a question regarding the exhaust setup for this kit. I was thinking about the earlier comments that because I have the GReddy EVO2 exhaust I would have to have a custom pipe fabricated to mate up to this system. But the GReddy system would mate up to the stock cats, so won't it mate up to this system? Here is a picture of the stock undercarriage....
and here is a picture of the pertinent section of my exhaust.....
So the question is, what is it about my exhaust that would require fabrication of an extra component? Both the stock exhaust have a "Y pipe" of sorts that comes back into a single pipe, and then splits again. What exactly goes where the cats are currently, and how does the kit route the exhaust with the stock exhaust system in place?
A little confused and just looking for some clarification.
and here is a picture of the pertinent section of my exhaust.....
So the question is, what is it about my exhaust that would require fabrication of an extra component? Both the stock exhaust have a "Y pipe" of sorts that comes back into a single pipe, and then splits again. What exactly goes where the cats are currently, and how does the kit route the exhaust with the stock exhaust system in place?
A little confused and just looking for some clarification.
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Originally posted by kcobean
I don't understand. The Bernoulli principle states that at a given pressure (9 PSI), through a fixed diameter pipe, the velocity (CFM) is a constant. So if you increase the CFM, you are also, as a result, increasing pressure. If you increase the CFM through a given pipe (like the charge pipe), the pressure must also increase. If you talk about 9 PSI, measured at the same place in the two different systems (assuming the piping is the same size), the flow rate has to be the same.
So can one of the experts clarify that the cylinder/manifold/etc. pressures are constant at a given "turbo pressure" for both types systems? Where is the pressure reading taken from?
I don't understand. The Bernoulli principle states that at a given pressure (9 PSI), through a fixed diameter pipe, the velocity (CFM) is a constant. So if you increase the CFM, you are also, as a result, increasing pressure. If you increase the CFM through a given pipe (like the charge pipe), the pressure must also increase. If you talk about 9 PSI, measured at the same place in the two different systems (assuming the piping is the same size), the flow rate has to be the same.
So can one of the experts clarify that the cylinder/manifold/etc. pressures are constant at a given "turbo pressure" for both types systems? Where is the pressure reading taken from?
greddy tt
Originally posted by kcobean
Ok, I have a question regarding the exhaust setup for this kit. I was thinking about the earlier comments that because I have the GReddy EVO2 exhaust I would have to have a custom pipe fabricated to mate up to this system. But the GReddy system would mate up to the stock cats, so won't it mate up to this system? Here is a picture of the stock undercarriage....
and here is a picture of the pertinent section of my exhaust.....
So the question is, what is it about my exhaust that would require fabrication of an extra component? Both the stock exhaust have a "Y pipe" of sorts that comes back into a single pipe, and then splits again. What exactly goes where the cats are currently, and how does the kit route the exhaust with the stock exhaust system in place?
A little confused and just looking for some clarification.
Ok, I have a question regarding the exhaust setup for this kit. I was thinking about the earlier comments that because I have the GReddy EVO2 exhaust I would have to have a custom pipe fabricated to mate up to this system. But the GReddy system would mate up to the stock cats, so won't it mate up to this system? Here is a picture of the stock undercarriage....
and here is a picture of the pertinent section of my exhaust.....
So the question is, what is it about my exhaust that would require fabrication of an extra component? Both the stock exhaust have a "Y pipe" of sorts that comes back into a single pipe, and then splits again. What exactly goes where the cats are currently, and how does the kit route the exhaust with the stock exhaust system in place?
A little confused and just looking for some clarification.
http://www.imagestation.com/member/j...d%3D2454005093 Use username SEMA2004 Password is 123456
Its about in the middle of the album.
Originally posted by Wicked4u2c
Actually, AEM are the people who refered this as a "piggyback". Because you dont have total control, in a sense its considered a standalone but your still using the stock ECU and modifying certain signals. Of course this is just coming from AEM, and I also was under the impression that a TRUE standalone does not require or depend on the stock ECU. Same with PFC F CON Pro. IF you go to HKS website they don't say its a standalone but rather a Programmed Fuel Computer. Well, thats just the technical part. Really, it doesn't matter im just excited that AEM is going to relase an EMS for the 350z. This will just open doors to a lot of manufactures in the future and now for tuning.
Actually, AEM are the people who refered this as a "piggyback". Because you dont have total control, in a sense its considered a standalone but your still using the stock ECU and modifying certain signals. Of course this is just coming from AEM, and I also was under the impression that a TRUE standalone does not require or depend on the stock ECU. Same with PFC F CON Pro. IF you go to HKS website they don't say its a standalone but rather a Programmed Fuel Computer. Well, thats just the technical part. Really, it doesn't matter im just excited that AEM is going to relase an EMS for the 350z. This will just open doors to a lot of manufactures in the future and now for tuning.
You could run the AEM without a stock ECU...but then you would have a race car, without any power windows, traction control, or gauges.
And Mia...please tell me you are getting a free Turbonetics kit after 41 pages of posts!
Last edited by Sharif@Forged; Jan 25, 2005 at 02:59 PM.
Originally posted by gq_626
Exactly...I said that in my post. Visually, it is a piggyback, but in terms of function it is a stand alone. You are NOT modifiing injector pulse width and timing signals (like an eManage)...you are creating your own. There are no alteration of stock ECU signals (they are ignored...so there is no chance that the stock ECU could change your tune. The stock ECU thinks it is running the car...but it is..in fact...not.
You could run the AEM without a stock ECU...but then you would have a race car, without any power windows, traction control, or gauges.
And Mia...please tell me you are getting a free Turbonetics kit after 41 pages of posts!
Exactly...I said that in my post. Visually, it is a piggyback, but in terms of function it is a stand alone. You are NOT modifiing injector pulse width and timing signals (like an eManage)...you are creating your own. There are no alteration of stock ECU signals (they are ignored...so there is no chance that the stock ECU could change your tune. The stock ECU thinks it is running the car...but it is..in fact...not.
You could run the AEM without a stock ECU...but then you would have a race car, without any power windows, traction control, or gauges.
And Mia...please tell me you are getting a free Turbonetics kit after 41 pages of posts!
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
OK basically you see on the stock exhaust where it becomes a single pipe after the y pipe? This kit replaces the factory cats and y pipe with a crossover pipe to the turbo and a downpipe that ends where the stock single pipe begins. (midpipe) . Because the Greddy is a true dual you would need to have an exhaust shop fab up a y split that connects to the downpipe from the turbo that splits the flow into two pipe to your Greddy dual pipes. Theres pics of the turbo exhaust system here..
http://www.imagestation.com/member/j...d%3D2454005093 Use username SEMA2004 Password is 123456
Its about in the middle of the album.
OK basically you see on the stock exhaust where it becomes a single pipe after the y pipe? This kit replaces the factory cats and y pipe with a crossover pipe to the turbo and a downpipe that ends where the stock single pipe begins. (midpipe) . Because the Greddy is a true dual you would need to have an exhaust shop fab up a y split that connects to the downpipe from the turbo that splits the flow into two pipe to your Greddy dual pipes. Theres pics of the turbo exhaust system here..
http://www.imagestation.com/member/j...d%3D2454005093 Use username SEMA2004 Password is 123456
Its about in the middle of the album.
You know now that I look at it on a better monitor you may not need to get a custom pipe fabbed. I need a better under car pic of your exhaust but it looks like the Greddy comes to a single pipe and then has a single flange in the stock location. If that is the case you may be good after all.