This deserves it's own thread: Stock rods vs. Pauter Forged Rods
09-20-2004, 10:55 AM
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You guys pick on your rods too much...they're made of cold coined vanadium steel and can "only" handle what *DOUBLE* what it was designed for?
Just playing.
Those are some BEEFY rods alright. I'm just wondering why they didn't use a bolt/nut on the large end.
Just playing.Those are some BEEFY rods alright. I'm just wondering why they didn't use a bolt/nut on the large end.
09-20-2004, 11:13 AM
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A word of caution on using different piston geometry to lower compression....
Originally posted by gq_626
Yes, most modern engines and aftermarket applications use floating wrist pins. You can see the locks on the stock piston in photo above. I havent seen it done any other way other than locks and floating wrist pins.
These rods are slightly heavier than stock, which is really the only way to go. With F/I applications, you need strength, rather than lightness. So forged steel rods for this application will always be slightly heavier than stock. Pauter makes some lightweight steel rods, but they are not suitable for F/I applications.
And yes, the rods are exactly the same length as stock. The compression drop comes from the pistons we are using.
Yes, most modern engines and aftermarket applications use floating wrist pins. You can see the locks on the stock piston in photo above. I havent seen it done any other way other than locks and floating wrist pins.
These rods are slightly heavier than stock, which is really the only way to go. With F/I applications, you need strength, rather than lightness. So forged steel rods for this application will always be slightly heavier than stock. Pauter makes some lightweight steel rods, but they are not suitable for F/I applications.
And yes, the rods are exactly the same length as stock. The compression drop comes from the pistons we are using.
09-20-2004, 06:44 PM
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Axxizzer..not sure what you are refering to. I said that Ti rods are just as strong as forged steel....their benifit comes from a 30% weight reduction, and they are $4800 a set, vs. $1200 a set for forged steel pauter. I never said that Ti rods are weaker than stock or weaker than forged steel.
You will not find a forged rod for the VQ, that is robust enough for F/I applications..that is lighter than stock.
You can find rods that are lighter, but they are not robust enough for continuous F/I applications. Yes...they would still be stronger than stock...but those forged Pauter rods you see in the thread are 4-5 times stronger than the stock cast rods.
It really depends on your purposes and goals in building the motor.
You will not find a forged rod for the VQ, that is robust enough for F/I applications..that is lighter than stock.
You can find rods that are lighter, but they are not robust enough for continuous F/I applications. Yes...they would still be stronger than stock...but those forged Pauter rods you see in the thread are 4-5 times stronger than the stock cast rods.
It really depends on your purposes and goals in building the motor.
09-21-2004, 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by gq_626
Axxizzer..not sure what you are refering to. I said that Ti rods are just as strong as forged steel....their benifit comes from a 30% weight reduction, and they are $4800 a set, vs. $1200 a set for forged steel pauter. I never said that Ti rods are weaker than stock or weaker than forged steel.
Axxizzer..not sure what you are refering to. I said that Ti rods are just as strong as forged steel....their benifit comes from a 30% weight reduction, and they are $4800 a set, vs. $1200 a set for forged steel pauter. I never said that Ti rods are weaker than stock or weaker than forged steel.
I start drooling over all this lightweight talk. Any chance you guys have the weights of these parts involved? (stock crank vs. stroker, stock pistons vs. the ones you're using, stock rod weight vs. Pauter?)
09-22-2004, 05:36 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: This deserves it's own thread: Stock rods vs. Pauter Forged Rods
Originally posted by 350Now
The Pauter Rods with the oil squirter through the center of the Rods are these AEBS only or are they standard on all the Pauter rods for our car?
The Pauter Rods with the oil squirter through the center of the Rods are these AEBS only or are they standard on all the Pauter rods for our car?
09-22-2004, 06:41 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This deserves it's own thread: Stock rods vs. Pauter Forged Rods
Originally posted by 350z_taquito
jeff, the edm drilled rods are a pauter option. what aebs did was notch the wrist pin bearing and have it drilled through the top of the small end. this way, oil not only goes up the rod to lubricate the pin, it actually gets sprayed onto the bottom of the piston. this way oil isn't just squirted all over the place like the stock oil squirters. pay attention man, you've already been told all of this.
jeff, the edm drilled rods are a pauter option. what aebs did was notch the wrist pin bearing and have it drilled through the top of the small end. this way, oil not only goes up the rod to lubricate the pin, it actually gets sprayed onto the bottom of the piston. this way oil isn't just squirted all over the place like the stock oil squirters. pay attention man, you've already been told all of this.
09-22-2004, 08:25 PM
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If stock rods can take >10 psi, then would Ti rods take more?
If stock rods can take >10 psi, then would Ti rods take more?
I think the BWM M3 uses Ti rods, and a few other exotic sports cars. Thats one of the reasons the M3 can give to about 8000rpm.
09-22-2004, 09:14 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This deserves it's own thread: Stock rods vs. Pauter Forged Rods
Originally posted by 350z_taquito
jeff, the edm drilled rods are a pauter option. what aebs did was notch the wrist pin bearing and have it drilled through the top of the small end. this way, oil not only goes up the rod to lubricate the pin, it actually gets sprayed onto the bottom of the piston. this way oil isn't just squirted all over the place like the stock oil squirters. pay attention man, you've already been told all of this.
jeff, the edm drilled rods are a pauter option. what aebs did was notch the wrist pin bearing and have it drilled through the top of the small end. this way, oil not only goes up the rod to lubricate the pin, it actually gets sprayed onto the bottom of the piston. this way oil isn't just squirted all over the place like the stock oil squirters. pay attention man, you've already been told all of this.
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You sure sound like you know your stuff. What do you do for a living or is this a hobby u take seriously?
You sure sound like you know your stuff. What do you do for a living or is this a hobby u take seriously?
09-22-2004, 09:37 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: This deserves it's own thread: Stock rods vs. Pauter Forged Rods
Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
Did you get that kit?
Did you get that kit?
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