Hey guys

Just posted this on G35Driver.com. Got these 'teaser' pics from Lorca of Z1 Motorsports.... and wanted to share them with you. I have been very busy lately, but these pics got me thinking about my car again. It looks like the block will be shipped out Monday and arrive here around Thursday. I am hoping the car will be ready next week, but that's cutting it close with my other obligations... Either way, here they are.....













See you all later. Will keep everyone posted.
Gurgen

 

Badass. I wish I could build my damn motor.

 

Can you give us the full detials on exactly everything your getting done to the block?

Thanks man.

 

No torque plate?

 

i wondered that also but I do also wonder if a torque plate really even matters on an open deck block?

We still gotta make one of our own... I didnt have my machinst use one on my personal engine... but we are gonna for customers more for the just in case factor... but i would doubt it matters nearly as much on a open deck... hell... maybe it matters more...

what do you think kyle?

 

Kyle knows we don't use a torque plate, he's just pointing it out to ... point it out. We long ago decided that the geometry of the VQ, and the VG for that matter does not need a torque plate.

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....t=torque+plate

"SGP is a good shop and has been one of our main competitors for years. I would not discourage anyone from taking their car to SGP. Looks like we are about $200 higher and no, we do not use a torque plate. If you understand the principle behind using a torque plate and you take a good look at the geometry of the VQ35 short block I think you will understand why we feel that it is not needed."


As I said, Kyle knows this, I think he is just pointing it out to let you know that we Z1 doesnt use one and SGP does.

 

its not life or death, and it doesnt make or break a motor. i personally have had it done on all customers engine just so that I can say yes if they ask... my own personal engines i dont think any of the 3 i built myself over the last few years been done.

 

Gurgen...looks great. I am very happy to see the progress.

I think my car goes in after yours and Bini_2's are done.

 

Actually I did not know that. I sent Gurgen to you guys because I could not find a core for him. Some of his concerns when he first was going to get the motor done by us was if we used a Torque Plate and doing sleeves(which I see he isn't gettting ). I have also had several people said that you guys did....so when I saw the picture I was confused. If you guys don't think the torque plate makes a difference that is your business. No harm no foul.

 

I would think it would be fairly obvious if you understand the concept of torque plates that claiming that you are boring a VQ block with a torque plate is just a marketing tool. Just something that sounds good that might help sell motors.

As we all know the VQ is an open deck design with steel sleeves.
The head bolts are in the aluminum block and there is a great gulf between them and the cylinder.
Torque plates are useful on some motors (not open deck) where the headbolts are fairly close to the cylinder walls (close enough to cause distortion in the cylinder when the bolts are tightened down). This distortion is usually most evident towards the top of the cylinder (obviously). Even on our baby (the VG30DETT) torque plates are completley unnecessary and it isn't open deck. The head bolts are just positioned a long way from the cylinder walls. My car makes over 1000 rwhp, did I use torque plates? NO and if anything breaks it won't be because I didn't.

I have some reasons to buy a Z1 built motor but they relate to performance not gimmicks. Gurgen, your heads feature a few innovations we have already made as a result of some flow testing in conjuction with Crawford Z and Sunbelt here in Atlanta.
We have several more unique features we are adding to our engine builds that we will be discussing in the near future.

 

The above was posted by Russell Floyd, owner of Z1 who, as a Georgia Tech graduate, is so completely unfamiliar with the tecnology of the internet that he was unable to make his own screen name

 

I just thought you would want to me to make you sound smart.
BTW, learn how to spell technology.

 

<<---- Typing owns

 

ROFL....good stuff!

Hope to see you both soon!

 

Damn Russell....touchy touchy.

Do you *need* to use a torque plate to bore and hone a VQ35 motor??.....NO...but then again....does anyone really *need* performance parts?

At SGP Racing we believe in going up and beyond what is *needed*. That is why we use a torque plate for every motor we build...be it a VG30, VQ35, 2JZ, H22, B16, etc... It is just that extra step we take to make sure it is 100% for each and every customer. We also cermaic coat the rod and main bearing on all the motors we build. Is this *needed*....again...NO. We do it anyway. Even though our motor pricing is cheaper then most others we do things up and beyond most. I do not consider it *marketing* or *gimmicks*....I just consider it taking care of our customers.

 

Kyle,

I am not getting sleeves for several reasons, primary one being the added cost, and secondary one being you guys as well as others telling be that it's not necessary for anything under 800 hp. Also, I do like your shop, and the fact that you use a torque plate was not a deciding factor initially.

There are several reasons why I went with Z1, but NONE of them are that you sent me to them. I just want to make that clear for the sake of fairness.

 

By the way...I was ROFL becuase of the Russel not signing up himself thing...I thought that was funny....posting on Lorca's account.

I was not taking sides or poking fun of SGP Racing or Z1.