Sport Z Magazine plenum results
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hey sport z how about a nice article on a 2005 aps tt g35 with the rev up motor and a built motor and utec.. we can test the rev-up mod too.. i know someone who wants to give you guys first dibs..haha
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Originally Posted by devster
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According to that, the lower REVUP plenum gave 9-10hp across the entire RPM band. That's what I was getting at. Someone else said the REVUP lower plenum would only produce power up top and lose down low. I would have to trust whatever the magazine came up with?
My point is that 9-10HP across the entire band is much more usable on a daily basis and from a "feel" standpoint than 9-10HP peak.
Also, from all this conversation, it is not wise to use a lower REVUP plenum with any sort of spacer or replacement upper plenum, although I would be interested to see what happens.
That is my understanding in a summary of this entire discussion.
According to that, the lower REVUP plenum gave 9-10hp across the entire RPM band. That's what I was getting at. Someone else said the REVUP lower plenum would only produce power up top and lose down low. I would have to trust whatever the magazine came up with?
My point is that 9-10HP across the entire band is much more usable on a daily basis and from a "feel" standpoint than 9-10HP peak.
Also, from all this conversation, it is not wise to use a lower REVUP plenum with any sort of spacer or replacement upper plenum, although I would be interested to see what happens.
That is my understanding in a summary of this entire discussion.
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Originally Posted by LODOSS
I think eveyone is getting this all confused.. from my understanding..
a non-rev up motor will benefit from plenum and spacers... (you can put a rev-up lower plenum on your car but will lose low end tq/hp and gain some hp/tq up top)
a rev-up motor can also gain from plenums and spacers but due to the design of thier lower plenum (design for higher rev power) when they put in a non-revup lower plenum it gains low-mid tq/hp and prob alos lose a few up top...
this is what i understand it as.. however some of the info on this thread is giving me the birdies... its confusing when you cant be 100% sure the info a person is saying is correct.. not saying anyone is lying..
please correct me if i am wrong.
a non-rev up motor will benefit from plenum and spacers... (you can put a rev-up lower plenum on your car but will lose low end tq/hp and gain some hp/tq up top)
a rev-up motor can also gain from plenums and spacers but due to the design of thier lower plenum (design for higher rev power) when they put in a non-revup lower plenum it gains low-mid tq/hp and prob alos lose a few up top...
this is what i understand it as.. however some of the info on this thread is giving me the birdies... its confusing when you cant be 100% sure the info a person is saying is correct.. not saying anyone is lying..
please correct me if i am wrong.
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where do you buy the revup lower plenum? and can i see a pic of it because all this is confusing, also if the ECU wont take the lower plenum + spacer, if you have an emanage will that correct the problem and get you even more power?
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Yes you are correct. The REV-UP motor can benefit from upper plenums and spacers, where as the non REV-UP motors can benefit from upper plenums, spacers, and the Rev-Up lower plenum. Each of these will make power/torque at some point in the rpm range and also lose power/tq. in the rpm range.
as i have stated before i personally think the rev-up lower plenum has a better design.
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
You got that the other way around. If you want more lower end power/tq.. then get an upper plenum or a spacer. If you want upper end power, then get a lower plenum form the REV-UP motor. I have it on my 04 touring and it really kicks above 5K rpms but I lost some tq down low in the 2500-3000rpms range. I haven't dyno'd it yet but I will soon. I also have a reflash so it makes power all the way until 7100rpms. But what I don't get is why we 03-05 with non REV-UP motors can only put one plenum on our cars where as REV-UP guys who already have the lower plenum can add a spacer or an upper plenum and make power. Anyone know this?
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I got mine from Performance Nissan. I can show you a pic because its already installed in my car and it sits under the upper plenum and cover. Its hidden. I don't know if the E-manage can correct the problem of combining a lower plenum with a spacer on a non Rev-Up motor. I have not seen anyone on the forums or anywhere else combining those parts. They either get one or the other. You can try it if you like and post some dyno runs with the parts working together and by themselves. Here is a link to it..http://performancenissanparts.com/ca...oducts_id=3328
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Originally Posted by LODOSS
that is different than what i am stating.. Look at the MD MREV kit.. what does it use? a 03-05 lower plenum on a REV-UP motor to provide more tq and hp across the whole chart... now why would the MREV kit use the 03-05 lower plenum to provide gains if the REV-up lower plenum is already better?
as i have stated before i personally think the rev-up lower plenum has a better design.
as i have stated before i personally think the rev-up lower plenum has a better design.
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Originally Posted by xswl0931
You clearly aren't looking at the same magazine I'm looking at. The chart clearly shows that the plenums and spacers add most of the HP gains at the higher RPMs while the lower plenum shows most gains at the lower RPMs.
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Originally Posted by LODOSS
I think eveyone is getting this all confused.. from my understanding..
a non-rev up motor will benefit from plenum and spacers... (you can put a rev-up lower plenum on your car but will lose low end tq/hp and gain some hp/tq up top)
a rev-up motor can also gain from plenums and spacers but due to the design of thier lower plenum (design for higher rev power) when they put in a non-revup lower plenum it gains low-mid tq/hp and prob alos lose a few up top...
this is what i understand it as.. however some of the info on this thread is giving me the birdies... its confusing when you cant be 100% sure the info a person is saying is correct.. not saying anyone is lying..
please correct me if i am wrong.
a non-rev up motor will benefit from plenum and spacers... (you can put a rev-up lower plenum on your car but will lose low end tq/hp and gain some hp/tq up top)
a rev-up motor can also gain from plenums and spacers but due to the design of thier lower plenum (design for higher rev power) when they put in a non-revup lower plenum it gains low-mid tq/hp and prob alos lose a few up top...
this is what i understand it as.. however some of the info on this thread is giving me the birdies... its confusing when you cant be 100% sure the info a person is saying is correct.. not saying anyone is lying..
please correct me if i am wrong.
Just a quick note. For the M-REV" kit to work right, you need an 05-06 6mt 298 HP engine.
And the 300 HP Z engine (Rev-up engine) you can use the lower plenum off an 03-04 6MT & AT and an 05 AT. I wish I had my Magazine.
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Originally Posted by 03_Track_Z
=( can someone tell me where to purchase/look at a lower plenum for my 03? i think my posts are getting lost in the fight
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Performance Nissan is the place to get them.
But to be honest. The REVUP collector doesn't make more TQ. Ed's car was the only car to test REVUP collector but his baseline dynos had some very serious ping. And unfortunatly, the dyno operator forgot to do a ECU reset before Ed's baseline dyno. All other pulls on every other test after that had a ECU reset with each new set.
There were two Z's tested that day.
ScHel's and Ed's.
ScHel's had the bulk of the pre/post testing performed on it.
Ed's had only the REVUP collector tested.
What looks like significant TQ gains with a REVUP collector was actually a low baseline dyno being compared to it. If the baseline dyno's also had a ECU reset just before the pulls, it would have made a better pre/post comparison.
But to be honest. The REVUP collector doesn't make more TQ. Ed's car was the only car to test REVUP collector but his baseline dynos had some very serious ping. And unfortunatly, the dyno operator forgot to do a ECU reset before Ed's baseline dyno. All other pulls on every other test after that had a ECU reset with each new set.
There were two Z's tested that day.
ScHel's and Ed's.
ScHel's had the bulk of the pre/post testing performed on it.
Ed's had only the REVUP collector tested.
What looks like significant TQ gains with a REVUP collector was actually a low baseline dyno being compared to it. If the baseline dyno's also had a ECU reset just before the pulls, it would have made a better pre/post comparison.
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
Performance Nissan is the place to get them.
But to be honest. The REVUP collector doesn't make more TQ. Ed's car was the only car to test REVUP collector but his baseline dynos had some very serious ping. And unfortunatly, the dyno operator forgot to do a ECU reset before Ed's baseline dyno. All other pulls on every other test after that had a ECU reset with each new set.
There were two Z's tested that day.
ScHel's and Ed's.
ScHel's had the bulk of the pre/post testing performed on it.
Ed's had only the REVUP collector tested.
What looks like significant TQ gains with a REVUP collector was actually a low baseline dyno being compared to it. If the baseline dyno's also had a ECU reset just before the pulls, it would have made a better pre/post comparison.
But to be honest. The REVUP collector doesn't make more TQ. Ed's car was the only car to test REVUP collector but his baseline dynos had some very serious ping. And unfortunatly, the dyno operator forgot to do a ECU reset before Ed's baseline dyno. All other pulls on every other test after that had a ECU reset with each new set.
There were two Z's tested that day.
ScHel's and Ed's.
ScHel's had the bulk of the pre/post testing performed on it.
Ed's had only the REVUP collector tested.
What looks like significant TQ gains with a REVUP collector was actually a low baseline dyno being compared to it. If the baseline dyno's also had a ECU reset just before the pulls, it would have made a better pre/post comparison.
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Originally Posted by LouZer
So has no one used both an aftermarket upper plenum or spacer and a rev-up lower plenum on a 03-05 to see what happens?
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Ok I don't have the Sport Z issue with the plenum shoot-out in it so I am not getting this from any mag. Maybe you are confusing it with a MD MREV kit for the Rev-Up motors. I heard that is great for daily driving. Why would the Rev-Up lower plenum make power in the lower rpm range when it came from the Rev-Up motor which revs all the way to 7000rpms? The reason why its called the Rev-Up lower plenum is because it comes from that motor. Spacers and upper plenums make power in the low to mid range. Not in the top end like the lower plenum. And if you put that plenum in a 287 motor, then you lose some low end tq but gain upper end hp. If you don't believe me ask Jason from performance. He will explain it better.