OK I'm going to do it: THAT'S RIGHT I'M BUYING A POPCHARGER (and I'm not even a newb)
Originally Posted by stiv
I only have about 200 miles on my popcharger and the blue has already completely faded. Do I need to clean and re-oil it already? It seems really premature to do so but I hardly ever drive my Z so it spends most of the time covered on my driveway.
Is it common for the blue oil to fade if the car is parked most of the time.
I don't get it.
Is it common for the blue oil to fade if the car is parked most of the time.
I don't get it.
Honestly I can't tell you, but just make sure not to over-oil it or you're asking for MAF problems.
Cool. Thanks for the heads-up...
So if the filter isn't blue anymore, does it mean that it isn't as effective?
Cool. Thanks for the heads-up...
So if the filter isn't blue anymore, does it mean that it isn't as effective?
I did a similiar experiment with my G35. I tested three verisons of the stock airbox. One of the verisions, basically made the airbox like a POP in that all the intake snorkels were removed, opening the airbox up by about 200%.
I downloaded some new software for my OBDII scanner so that I can log up to 6 parameters. I did three tests with various stock intake setups to lookk for any potential gains. I measured timing advance, intake temp, rpm, and air flow at the MAF (grams/sec).
My cars mods: Z-pipe and 5/16" spacer
The intake setups:
1) Stock airbox with Z-pipe
2) Modified Powerduct (cut lower lip of Powerduct cover to let more air in)
3) Power Duct cover and over radiator snorkel removed (this setup was to emmulate a POP charger setup). I'll call this the open airbox
Conditions: late night, lower 70s, 50% humidity, 30.0 baro pressure, 1100' elevation.
Test run: Highway, 3rd gear from 3500rpms to 6500rpms. 3rd gear was used to capture as much data as possible because the gear winds out longer.
Runs: two back to back runs with 5 minutes cooling (highway speed) between runs.
Interesting notes:
1) The stock airbox and modded Power Duct cover attain very similiar temps at cruise and at a stop. Both will spike 10-15 degrees over ambient when at a stop for longer than 30 seconds. It takes about 5-10 seconds for the intake air to get near ambient (+5 degrees) after a cruise from stop.
2) The open airbox will spike to 30-45 degrees above ambient when at a stop for longer than 30 seconds. It takes about 20 seconds to cool the air down to near ambient after a cruise from stop.
3) The open airbox is very aggressive sounding. Sub 4000rpm tip-in acceleration and tip-in highway acceleration in MM 5 is negatively impacted. Normal acceleration feels softer. Torque converter lock-up and unlock is much more pronounced and somewhat aburpt. It takes a bit more throttle to achieve the same acceleration compared other two setups. Tip in WOT at 4000-4500rpms feels great and more responsive, snappy. It sounds great too. Brake stall launches feel a bit weaker. The typical 5AT bog on launch is a bit more pronounced. 0-40mph acceleration feels a bit weaker, but sounds much faster.
4) The modded Powerduct setup is fractionally louder (15%) than the stock setup. Part-throttle acceleration is much improved as is off the line, part-throttle and WOT. 4000rpms+ tip-in WOT doesn't feel as snappy, but after 500rpms, there's no discernable difference between this setup and the open airbox, other than noise. TC lock/unlock is far better. The engine at a low rpms cruise feel smoother. The engine is far more responsive to throttle input around town. There is a constant wave of acceleration at medium throttle on the shifts. Under the same situation, the open airbox feels boggy initially after the shift.
5) The stock airbox is obviously quieter. It delivers the best around town driveablity. It delivers the best downshift WOT performance. There is a surge of power on every shift. This setup has the least initial snap on a 4000rpm WOT run.
The WOT test results showed that the timing on all the setups was basicially the same (+/-2 degrees, random). Intake temps were basically the same (+/- degrees). The kicker was the airflow. The stock intake showed the most airflow at the MAF followed by the modded Power Duct and then the open airbox. Max airflow with the stock airbox was 169 gm/sec (ave 142 gm/sec) where as the modded Powerduct saw 162 gm/sec (ave 138 gm/sec) and the open airbox saw 159 gm/sec (ave 136 gm/sec) .
My cars mods: Z-pipe and 5/16" spacer
The intake setups:
1) Stock airbox with Z-pipe
2) Modified Powerduct (cut lower lip of Powerduct cover to let more air in)
3) Power Duct cover and over radiator snorkel removed (this setup was to emmulate a POP charger setup). I'll call this the open airbox
Conditions: late night, lower 70s, 50% humidity, 30.0 baro pressure, 1100' elevation.
Test run: Highway, 3rd gear from 3500rpms to 6500rpms. 3rd gear was used to capture as much data as possible because the gear winds out longer.
Runs: two back to back runs with 5 minutes cooling (highway speed) between runs.
Interesting notes:
1) The stock airbox and modded Power Duct cover attain very similiar temps at cruise and at a stop. Both will spike 10-15 degrees over ambient when at a stop for longer than 30 seconds. It takes about 5-10 seconds for the intake air to get near ambient (+5 degrees) after a cruise from stop.
2) The open airbox will spike to 30-45 degrees above ambient when at a stop for longer than 30 seconds. It takes about 20 seconds to cool the air down to near ambient after a cruise from stop.
3) The open airbox is very aggressive sounding. Sub 4000rpm tip-in acceleration and tip-in highway acceleration in MM 5 is negatively impacted. Normal acceleration feels softer. Torque converter lock-up and unlock is much more pronounced and somewhat aburpt. It takes a bit more throttle to achieve the same acceleration compared other two setups. Tip in WOT at 4000-4500rpms feels great and more responsive, snappy. It sounds great too. Brake stall launches feel a bit weaker. The typical 5AT bog on launch is a bit more pronounced. 0-40mph acceleration feels a bit weaker, but sounds much faster.
4) The modded Powerduct setup is fractionally louder (15%) than the stock setup. Part-throttle acceleration is much improved as is off the line, part-throttle and WOT. 4000rpms+ tip-in WOT doesn't feel as snappy, but after 500rpms, there's no discernable difference between this setup and the open airbox, other than noise. TC lock/unlock is far better. The engine at a low rpms cruise feel smoother. The engine is far more responsive to throttle input around town. There is a constant wave of acceleration at medium throttle on the shifts. Under the same situation, the open airbox feels boggy initially after the shift.
5) The stock airbox is obviously quieter. It delivers the best around town driveablity. It delivers the best downshift WOT performance. There is a surge of power on every shift. This setup has the least initial snap on a 4000rpm WOT run.
The WOT test results showed that the timing on all the setups was basicially the same (+/-2 degrees, random). Intake temps were basically the same (+/- degrees). The kicker was the airflow. The stock intake showed the most airflow at the MAF followed by the modded Power Duct and then the open airbox. Max airflow with the stock airbox was 169 gm/sec (ave 142 gm/sec) where as the modded Powerduct saw 162 gm/sec (ave 138 gm/sec) and the open airbox saw 159 gm/sec (ave 136 gm/sec) .
When I was even more of a newbi than I am now I installed a PopCharger based on info from this forum. If it even smells like rice I'll put the stock filter back on and give it away to the first person that asks.
Originally Posted by Dave B
I did a similiar experiment with my G35. I tested three verisons of the stock airbox. One of the verisions, basically made the airbox like a POP in that all the intake snorkels were removed, opening the airbox up by about 200%.
Did you only look at MAX airflow, or also area under the curve?
For example, the modded airboxes could've had more mid-range airflow but less peak. Just something to think about.
I'm very surprised someone actually did a similar experiment that I'm proposing lol!
One reason I think the popcharger may help over stock is the venturi ring that they put in there. I think it should help siphon more air into the tube... we'll see though.
Last edited by Wired 24/7; Sep 26, 2006 at 11:41 AM.
Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
Cool experiment.
Did you only look at MAX airflow, or also area under the curve?
For example, the modded airboxes could've had more mid-range airflow but less peak. Just something to think about.
Did you only look at MAX airflow, or also area under the curve?
For example, the modded airboxes could've had more mid-range airflow but less peak. Just something to think about.
I'll be very interested in seeing your data. I imagine the Cypher program can sample more data per second than my Harrison RD OBDII.
Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
I will do some pulls in my secret speed playground, monitoring all sorts of parameters. Mass air flow (grams / sec), intake temperature, air/fuel ratio.
Chime in if you're interested in this test, not like I care, I'm mostly just doing it for my own personal info!
ChiShi
Originally Posted by chishifu
oh god please take me to you're secret playground!
ChiShi
ChiShi
come to LA and I'll show you. It's not that great though, there are some places with the possibility of cops. There are a few stretches with high visibility, zero cross traffic. Very safe.
I have never gone over 90 in this area but it's a good place to do 2nd gear pulls for the purpose of using cipher. Plus there's a freeway onramp that's perfect for doing 3rd gear pulls. From what I've seen though, 2nd and 3rd gear pulls look about the same with cipher.
you can always drive to ontario. just wide long streets. thats where street race are done do it on a week day ill go for a drive. anyways im interested in results also. i thought the mrev and spacers are better with stock filter or better if u just put a k&n filter.
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Originally Posted by myZter
i thought the mrev and spacers are better with stock filter or better if u just put a k&n filter.
i believe that to be true compared to a long tube CAI. i personally went with the nismo sports filter a 2006 velocity stack and since im using the nismo version 2 air scoop that brings in air from outside the car
Originally Posted by mc350z
i believe that to be true compared to a long tube CAI. i personally went with the nismo sports filter a 2006 velocity stack and since im using the nismo version 2 air scoop that brings in air from outside the car
I really want to install it right now and take it for a spin but I'm a little bit tired right now
Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, if the popcharger sucks I'll probably go with a 2006 airbox
I really want to install it right now and take it for a spin but I'm a little bit tired right now
I really want to install it right now and take it for a spin but I'm a little bit tired right now

Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
I really want to install it right now and take it for a spin but I'm a little bit tired right now 

Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, if the popcharger sucks I'll probably go with a 2006 airbox
I really want to install it right now and take it for a spin but I'm a little bit tired right now
I really want to install it right now and take it for a spin but I'm a little bit tired right now




