350z longtube headers
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Nismo headers, and the like are all garbage. Alphaworks, Ichinban, and even the Megan racing long tubes have all seen gains. Of course the biggest gains were from SG's longtube headers above.
You still can gain power by adding a test pipe, or hfc to your car.
Post the gains of said long tubes (Megan, etc). So far all I've read are "I feel a difference" or "my buddy has these and now he beats my car" type posts, never anything meaningful
The NISMO headers are far from garbage. Expensive yes, that I will agree with. However, when paired with the right cam, they actually work quite well. They also fit without incident, and have no short or long term quality issues.
The NISMO headers are far from garbage. Expensive yes, that I will agree with. However, when paired with the right cam, they actually work quite well. They also fit without incident, and have no short or long term quality issues.
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Post the gains of said long tubes (Megan, etc). So far all I've read are "I feel a difference" or "my buddy has these and now he beats my car" type posts, never anything meaningful
The NISMO headers are far from garbage. Expensive yes, that I will agree with. However, when paired with the right cam, they actually work quite well. They also fit without incident, and have no short or long term quality issues.
The NISMO headers are far from garbage. Expensive yes, that I will agree with. However, when paired with the right cam, they actually work quite well. They also fit without incident, and have no short or long term quality issues.
Check the NA builds section. I forget his screen name, but I know of one using the NISMO headers on his setup, power/torque was essentially the same as my setup currently sits (well, mine has been changed now, I just have not redyno'd/tuned yet). 1cockyZ is using the noral off the shelf DC headers (similar to the NISMO) and they too have worked out well for him. They certainly are not gods gift to headers, but they work reasonably well for sure. There were also dynos that date back a number of years that were done by people just installing the NISMO headers as well. Unfortunately not all the old posts may be here anymore, as the site migration definitely lost some data when it transferred ownership. The thing to remember is no header is going to give monsterous gains until it is paired to a proper set of cams...and at that point the gains sink or swim based on how well that cam/header combo are matched to one another.
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Nah, i was never really into goin out there much. Me and my friends had this "spot" we would go to and everyone would drift and practice for the events we would hold. Are you familiar with Traction Optional at all?
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Check the NA builds section. I forget his screen name, but I know of one using the NISMO headers on his setup, power/torque was essentially the same as my setup currently sits (well, mine has been changed now, I just have not redyno'd/tuned yet). 1cockyZ is using the noral off the shelf DC headers (similar to the NISMO) and they too have worked out well for him. They certainly are not gods gift to headers, but they work reasonably well for sure. There were also dynos that date back a number of years that were done by people just installing the NISMO headers as well. Unfortunately not all the old posts may be here anymore, as the site migration definitely lost some data when it transferred ownership. The thing to remember is no header is going to give monsterous gains until it is paired to a proper set of cams...and at that point the gains sink or swim based on how well that cam/header combo are matched to one another.
If you want to argue effectiveness of header/cam combo, don't you think the header should be built around the motor, and not just some off the shelf garbage?
as of now the only long tube header out is the ebay junk. It would take significant reworking to make them worth installing for my money. There are a real long tubes coming from SG Motorsports later this fall. I have no familiarity with those cams so I don't know if the car would benefit from them coupled with long tubes or not.
What ecu are you running?
In the future, you should try posting all this stuff in your first post...it really makes things alot easier for people to understand, and lets people take you more seriously. List your mods, your goals, your budget, etc.
What ecu are you running?
In the future, you should try posting all this stuff in your first post...it really makes things alot easier for people to understand, and lets people take you more seriously. List your mods, your goals, your budget, etc.
Do they break at the welds?
No at least not after 2 years and 1 new York winter they don't.. because thats how long i had mine on the car.
Are they overpriced? No they cost around 200-250 dollars!! thats almost as much as regular test pipes
Do they yield little to know performance gain?
You wouldn't know.. and i don't know the exact performance gain myself.. Probably everybody who buys these headers is too much of a cheap *** to get a before and after dyno run to see what the actual gains are .All i know is that my Z was considerably faster than a very similarly modded Z without these headers
So again how are they junk? lol
Post the gains of said long tubes (Megan, etc). So far all I've read are "I feel a difference" or "my buddy has these and now he beats my car" type posts, never anything meaningful
The NISMO headers are far from garbage. Expensive yes, that I will agree with. However, when paired with the right cam, they actually work quite well. They also fit without incident, and have no short or long term quality issues.
The NISMO headers are far from garbage. Expensive yes, that I will agree with. However, when paired with the right cam, they actually work quite well. They also fit without incident, and have no short or long term quality issues.
Last edited by BonesZ33; Sep 25, 2009 at 05:53 PM.
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I wish somebody would actually do a before and after dyno of the long tubes.. i had them and personally it was the most noticable difference of any of the n/a mods i have ever done.. the longtube headers also have no short term of long term quality issues either.. its all about personal preference and budget
Did you have test pipes before installing megans long tube header?
I will be putting this "do the megan longtubes work?" question to bed shortly. It will be compared to dc headers and aps test pipes. I definately killed the revup vs nonrevup lower plenum argument. I still want those supersprints
Rednezz was the one using Nismo headers, and it's hard to say if they helped or hurt him. We do know the DC sports are next to worthless, and gaining almost no real power over stock.
If you want to argue effectiveness of header/cam combo, don't you think the header should be built around the motor, and not just some off the shelf garbage?
If you want to argue effectiveness of header/cam combo, don't you think the header should be built around the motor, and not just some off the shelf garbage?
In an ideal world yes a header should be designed around the cam, and other variables. However, this is not always possible for the average Joe to do. There never ever is an ideal (with this car in particular since space is at such a premium) - there is only a series of compromises that results in the lesser of all evils. While I have no doubt that a proper set of long tubes will always benefit the right engine combo, I think it's going to far on the limb to say the shorty designs of NISMO and DC are worthless. While their effectiveness on a stock cam engine is certainly questionable from a cost/install/benefit ratio, there is no doubt that as you alter the aspects of the engine that can realize benefits from aftermarket vs stock manifolds, their worth begins to become more apparant.