Dont know if this has been asked. So forgive me if it has. But will their be a warranty for the headers?

 

Doug will have to answer this...

From what I understand parts are covered from defects, i.e. I asked him... What if a customer got a part and it's cracked, etc - He replied of course we would replace it.

Though would the part be covered from normal wear and tear... no it's a racing/performance part.

Make sense?

 

Cool stuff guys. I was looking for the answer to my desire for a FULL power band, and I think I'm looking at it. I wanted to see more around 30 hp, but hey, beggers can't be choosers, and it's not just peak hp, so yeah. Cool stuff guys.

 

it looks good to me .... just curious what happened to crawfords claims of 43 whp at redline over stock?????? were these numbers chnged do to a redesign in the headers??????? ... with all these free flowing parts, do u think that we may need to add a bit more fuel to really see the full benefits????

 

I for one am excited about the dynos because this package shows exactly what I'm looking for. Big gains in torque around 3 to 4 thousand RPM with nice peak numbers in a package that was meant to work together. When you piece together a bunch of different parts from different tuners, who knows what the end result will be. I bet with these kinds of improvements an ECU upgrade will make a profound difference as well. Any comments on what kind the right upgrade could do numbers wise?

 

CAN YOu tell me what you think about CAIs and why??? I have heard that they do NOTHING for the Z, and am curious what your view is

 

I ask a simple question looking for a simple response and I get insulted by a post such as this from someone who is trying to sell a product. I sure hope you are not a sales representative for Crawford because your approach is horrible. I deal with sales representatives every day at work and I have to make my way through a lot of BS that flys around. All I wanted to know was if you Dyno'd that car BEFORE the headers were installed to know what gains the headers made and where. I would not expect you to install them first, then take them off. How do I know that the High Flow Cats didn't make the majority of the low end power coupled with the Borla TD, with the plenum rounding out the top? Heck if that is the case then I wouldn't need to spend $1300 on your headers would I. I am not impressed with any header solution on the market as I feel the HF Cat/Test Pipe + Exhaust is making great gains. I was hoping Crawford could change my mind and prove that your headers are the s$&t so I could buy them without reservation. If you didn't do a dyno then I may simply wait for someone on the forum to do so to help me make my decision.

 

I think the person who created that claim may have been using ricer math. Really no fault to any one, but those power quotes were off looking at the difference between 2 different dynos . . .also before the pieces went on the car together. In actuality (read: for real) it was in the 30's (development parts) on one dyno and in the mid 20's (production package) on our local dyno.

 

While Chris is in sales . . .just not at Crawford’s. He is very passionate about Doug’s products and does spend a lot of time at the shop. I would apologize for him but he is "The Individual" and it is "His Way" and wouldn't have it any other way.

That being said, he does have an edge and it may or may not sell parts, which is what Doug at Crawford’s sells. We come to the plate show what we have to offer, it is up to you to decide to buy. If Chris deters you from buying Crawford Z Parts, that’s ok, we have other orders to fulfill. There are other products out there to choose from. If you go with them it allows us to concentrate on OUR customers. No harm there. (I do realize that the above is not ideal business, but it works for us)

Oh yeah, CHRIS play nice! Don’t let this thread be X vs. Y. This is Doug’s baby!

 

I was hoping someone would bring this up. We all know you cant just add hp and tq numbers from intake and exhaust mods. It is my opinion that you can only un-cork the intake and exhaust sides so much. I also believe there is the possibility to un-cork the exhaust too much. I can’t backup anything right now, but I think we will see greater gains (than normal) with ECU tuning and some cams. We will know soon as these are our next steps.

 

You know what you guys really should be wondering power output wise is how much this setup would benifit a procharged or stillen S/C Z. Think of how open the exhaust side is of the car! Everything is smoothed out more, the dyno with this and a procharged Z would be um, rediculous.

 

I hope you do not consider me someone elses customer, especially since I have had my Crawford Plenum and Strut Bar on my car for a while now and love it. I am sorry my questioning the numbers has created such a defensive position on your part and Chris's. I did not mean for that to happen. It is very obvious that you guys are passionate about this product and have put many hours into R&D. I hope you can understand my position in that I simply want proof that I should spend the money on your headers, because I already have the other "package" components and want to know what I can expect for gains for my $1300 plus install. Thank you.

 

My sincerest apologies if I came across offensive...

Never intended to be that way. The best reasoning is the passion for these parts. It's simple for a company to throw together AS MANY parts as possible for as MANY different cars as they can.

That's not Crawfords game. One car, one goal, one passion.

If it doesn't make us happy, they don't hit the market!

No hard feelings... but seriously come on out and drive!!!!

 

I for one am FAR more inclined to buy from Crawford because of the way they are on this board. I like enthusiasm!

Now, I just need to find a reputable shop around Tulsa, OK that can install the headers.

 

Hey all. I am by no means as involved at Crawford's as Adam and Chris, BUT ...

1. I was this close || to buy some Nismo headers (for $800 shipped)
2. When I first heard about someone cutting my intake and welding a this or that...I sais "whatever..."

Before completely discount this guy Doug, I went down and met him. First thing I learned...Doug will tell you how it is...period. Very minimal sugar coating. Doug knows his Z parts and these cars. Now, it is just a matter of time and I will have whatever go fast goodies Doug can produce. I trust the PERSON, therefore I trust his parts.

You by Nismo...great...if you call them 3 times with questions, you get 3 different people. Call Crawford's....the scruffy voice that says "Crawford Z Car"...well, that's Doug...everytime I've called so far. I have bought NOTHIN from Doug yet, but he will still sit and talk about anything. I took a friend from Texas by to see the shop, Doug stopped what he was doing to show my buddy the plenum and exhaust.

Bottom line,....we all buy parts based on the NAME on it. I trust the person behind the Name...that makes $1300 worth it to me.

 

This will get you screwed 9 times out of 10. The proof is in the pudding, not on the box. <- This has nothing to do with Crawford, before Chris gets his panties in a wad, it is a general statement.

 

Potato head...then why do you have a K&N filter ? You bought the name,...you must trust it.

You been screwed yet ? If it breaks (or you put in in the dryer like it says not to or the cotton comes out) ... do you think the person on the other end of the phones gives cr@p ? Nope

I trust Doug, you don't have to...but I do. Once you meet him, I think you would have no reservations about buying his parts. But, it is all of our choice to buy what we want.

And yes, the proof is in the pudding...but it seems everyone is looking at these numbers saying "only xx hp" why is that worth $xx ? Well, for starters, it is to the wheels where it counts....for the math guys out there, do some reverse math and figure out what it equals at the crank.

Again, bottomline...I trust Doug and his crew...you don't have to. I try to live on the premise that all people are good until they prove that wrong. Doug IS a good guy and I don't think he would screw any of us over. Nismo or whoever...do a search, there are quite a few angry posts about them...haven't seen one yet where Crawford "let them down"....

 

Ok guys I'll try to answer your questions as best as I can

The Borla was left on the car because we did not see any difference in power when we added it by itself with the plenum and cats I also felt once we uncorked the ft end of the exhaust sys then we would need to uncork the rear Borla seemed like a good choice but any good cat back sys should work.

Even I was surprised by the amount of low-end power and torque the hole package made not to mention how the power curve was higher all the way up. From all the other dyno sheets we have, we have never seen this before and I must have 20 of them.

As far as seeing higher peak power #s we could have taking the car to Atlanta and had better #s because that dyno reads consistently higher approx 6 hp I decided to dyno here in Nash because we had a good baseline, and isn't that what were really looking for are increases over stock.


Warranty sure 12 months or 12000 miles against defects

And last but not least price these things are costing plenty to reproduce they have to be hand built out of pre bent tubes no machine can reproduce the compound bends that the headers are made of.
For you guys that have purchased Crawford stuff in the past darn right will give you a deal and for you guys on the from we will help you out too, just call me and I'll get you on the list yes there is a waiting list already.

Hope this answers most of your questions if you have any more please feel free to call or e mail me.

Doug

 

Boxers, not briefs... Thanks!

 

ATI + Crawford Package + Cams + Tuned ECU = drool