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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 01:47 AM
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Hope it works. This is video from Saturday's event.

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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 01:52 AM
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That video is off me hitting 13.056 with the TDX V2 and Art Pipes. I cN only imagine what it'll sound like with LTHs. BTW I like how my car pops at the end.
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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MM'08_350Z
That video is off me hitting 13.056 with the TDX V2 and Art Pipes. I cN only imagine what it'll sound like with LTHs. BTW I like how my car pops at the end.
lol the pop at the end is from the dyno LOL
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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 07:10 PM
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injectors in and new dyno sheet coming tomorrow.

total HP gain with tune 302.87hp and he is fixing a couple of things so tomorrow so will get the print out..

resonator comes in tomorrow and planning to install the y pipe and resonator with the rest of the exhaust after a local event here in austin.. there is a track here that doenst alow drifting but this track was bought out by a new owner and is allowing this event to happened.. they will be measuring exhaust on DeciBels and it needs to be under 99db from 30ft.. sorry to palce a little hold on this but just finished paying enough money on preparing to run these events..

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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 05:09 PM
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Nice!! What exhaust are you going with? What is your duty cycle now with the new injectors?
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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final tune and finally done with this till i isntall the y pipe and the rest of the exhaust..

my duty cycle was running at 47% lol much safer and prepared for future lol


http://www.flickr.com/photos/65533272@N08/6940062605/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65533272@N08/6940061825/
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 07:08 PM
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so the 301 is on stock cat back?


what size are you upgrading to?


i hope 3" or better!

if so it def will pick up some good power!!!
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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 06:47 PM
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yeah 301 is stock just with headers and cold air intakes.. im planning on running 3"
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Old Mar 2, 2012 | 11:11 AM
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Nice numbers! Yes 3in would be better I think SG used 3.5in on their race car with LTH.

I need to upgrade my exhaust the piping is smaller than my header collector which is 2.5.

What RPM did it start to pick up again after it dropped? Also your midrange compared to before is crazy!! Congrats!!

Have you driven it yet?
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 03:13 PM
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512_Z, Good result. Can you provide a dyno graph showing the RPM at the bottom? Just to be sure this is basically going from stock headers and cats to the LTH with tune, correct?

Denchan350gt, the tq gains are very nice but they look even more massive cause the scales are not same on both axiis with the TQ one being narrower than hte HP one. SGM's race car uses the 3.5" exhaust but that burnt orange Z they tested was using 3". Also both of those LTH are also different in piping diameter from the primary and collector. I think the only thing they have in common is total length and the stepped location. All of SGM LTH out there including mine are like the latter.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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Does a much larger injector than needed affect idle/low end?
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 04:22 PM
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^I believe it has more to do with scaling/latency rather than just maximum IDC. What injectors are you using btw?
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 04:23 PM
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Stock, but I wanted to pick up some plug and play OEM GTRs. I saw some in the marketplace, but they sold.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 05:10 PM
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Stock, but I wanted to pick up some plug and play OEM GTRs. I saw some in the marketplace, but they sold.
I was thinking about that, but the GT-R is designed for turbo based applications, so I was a bit worried that they might not work right.


That dyno sheet, your torque curve isn't very flat. I'm not used to seeing that.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 05:29 PM
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Torque curve looks a little weird because the forced scale features wasn't turned on so it doesn't look like most dyno graphs out there. However his stock TQ curve does have that strange huge drop of 50 right in the middle.

The R35 injectors actually are very good injectors to use, plug'n'play like the DW, but they are pricey. Doesn't matter if they are were on an FI car. I was originally going to get them as well but at ~$150 each i decided to skimp out and get the cheaper DW that was 600 shipped with a walbro 255. There was a review a few years ago comparing the spray pattern of the R35 injectors with Power Enterprise ones and some other ones and apparently the the R35 yielded better results. I think if you guys can get them for cheap then it's worth buying.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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there is still a couple for sale in the marketplace $310 shipped
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Originally Posted by gabe3d
512_Z, Good result. Can you provide a dyno graph showing the RPM at the bottom? Just to be sure this is basically going from stock headers and cats to the LTH with tune, correct?

Denchan350gt, the tq gains are very nice but they look even more massive cause the scales are not same on both axiis with the TQ one being narrower than hte HP one. SGM's race car uses the 3.5" exhaust but that burnt orange Z they tested was using 3". Also both of those LTH are also different in piping diameter from the primary and collector. I think the only thing they have in common is total length and the stepped location. All of SGM LTH out there including mine are like the latter.
Do you think my exhaust size could be a factor? What size exhaust do you have? Maybe a y-pipe design is better than true dual with LT's on our car.

What is the diameter of a HR exhaust 2.5?

I can take a little loss down low for alot of top end like his my peak hp matches my before LT dyno with cams.

I know that the SG cars had 3in exhausts wish I had kept my MD VQ exhaust which was 3in to test this.

The step on the SG headers is closer to the heads it's not really that long compared to the PPE headers.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 06:15 PM
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id run a 3.5" single
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2004Black350z
id run a 3.5" single
If I had a Z I would to be honest singles don't look right on G35s to me.

Looks good on 350Zs though.
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Old Mar 4, 2012 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by denchan350gt
Do you think my exhaust size could be a factor? What size exhaust do you have? Maybe a y-pipe design is better than true dual with LT's on our car.

What is the diameter of a HR exhaust 2.5?

I can take a little loss down low for alot of top end like his my peak hp matches my before LT dyno with cams.

I know that the SG cars had 3in exhausts wish I had kept my MD VQ exhaust which was 3in to test this.

The step on the SG headers is closer to the heads it's not really that long compared to the PPE headers.
What exhaust are you running now btw? If you are running a decent Y pipe then i don't think it'll play a big role in the loss, but if it is then I doubt it is causing that huge dip down low. If anything it might help a little there. I'm running the MD shockwave first gen exhaust which is 2.5" to the Y pipe and 3" from there on. I think for NA you are better off with either a well designed X or Y pipe. As for running a larger piping post the Y or X pipe, i don't think you will see much or any differences going from 3" to 3.5" since the gains are realized leading to the merge, granted that you are comparing a straight thru exhaust.

Might be hard to gain this much peak HP in your case since you were already running equal length headers, test pipes and tuned. Where as for him he was completely stock except for the intake and then moved to a brand new exhaust system (LTH and Y pipe). Also his HR is more rev friendly.

You are right, from eyeballing your PPE to the SGM, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference externally. I'm hoping that PPE comes up with a good solution and it'll be interesting to see the other guy on g35driver installing it on his DE to see how yours compares to it.

BTW, not sure if you notice but as i was looking at the LTH for the VHR, PPE and FI, I saw something that is reminiscent of your problem. Look at 4100 rpm.

PPE:
http://www.*******.com/intake-exhaus...ml#post1144313
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2296...01642812CkdcBm

FI:
http://www.*******.com/intake-exhaus...tml#post329777
http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/o...er_SAEcopy.jpg

Can this be the magical VVEL compensating down low and then switching over right around 4k rpm? Perhaps they copied the design from the VHR "too much" and with the lack of VVEL on the DE it left you dry. Hopefully 512_Z can post a clearer pic of his dyno so that we can get some insight. HTH.

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