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Old Oct 17, 2011 | 10:22 PM
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Yep..at half the cost too. Called the *AUTO EXTRA* at Rock Auto.com
Read this post on Miata forum (use same filter)..this is the larger Wix 51356
filter mentioned here:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=426763

It's probably the Napa Silver (not gold)...an economy WIX with slightly different filter material and Nitrile Bypass.
Still a good filter with same WIX design.

Here...
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.p...1&postcount=42

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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 01:25 PM
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This is the ORGINAL made by Filtertech. I have read VERY good things about this filter and it's interchangeable with Nissan (longer version).

http://www.handa-accessories.com/civmaint01.html



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http://www.elementownersclub.com/for...ad.php?t=12206

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OooooK. Why don't you try one out and let us know first-hand how it works out.


Or cut out the middle man and reference a site like this one... http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...reference.html
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The Infiniti M45 filters are longer too, thats what I use.
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 02:38 PM
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OooooK. Why don't you try one out and let us know first-hand how it works out.


Or cut out the middle man and reference a site like this one... http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...reference.html
Wanted to let people here know it's an option. Might give it a try.
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There's a little difference, but probably not enough to keep it from fitting OK.

350Z filter (6607):

Gasket I.D. 2.27"
Gasket O.D. 2.53"
Gasket Thickness .2"
Gasket Usage Base
Product Height 2.63"
Product I.D. 20mmx1.5mm Th'd
Product O.D. 2.69"
Relief Valve Setting PSI 13

Honda filter (7317):

Gasket I.D. 2.22"
Gasket O.D. 2.48"
Gasket Thickness .28"
Gasket Usage Base
Product Height 3.47"
Product I.D. 20mmx1.5mm Th'd
Product O.D. 2.69"
Relief Valve Setting PSI 13
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by winchman
There's a little difference, but probably not enough to keep it from fitting OK.


Honda filter (7317):

Gasket I.D. 2.22"
Gasket O.D. 2.48"
Gasket Thickness .28"
Gasket Usage Base
Product Height 3.47"
Product I.D. 20mmx1.5mm Th'd
Product O.D. 2.69"
Relief Valve Setting PSI 13


I know they're interchangeable because the WIX application guide lists the same WIX filter for cars using OEM Honda and Nissan types.

Here's the WIX filter for the LONGER Nissan filter and compares to OEM Honda ( OEM Frontier 4.0 or Infinity M35):
#51356
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.402
Outer Diameter Top: 2.685
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 363
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.475 2.173 0.233

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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 08:13 PM
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If it's not bigger or cheaper, I don't see the benefit. I used to put big Ford filters on my VW's because they were bigger and cheaper. Since they were semi upright, they would add oil volume.
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Originally Posted by DaveJackson
If it's not bigger or cheaper, I don't see the benefit. I used to put big Ford filters on my VW's because they were bigger and cheaper. Since they were semi upright, they would add oil volume.
This is what caught my eye in that thread (link posted)...and these are still available as my link shows. Note all the filters he's comparing this one to!

Honda's very recent change in E oil filter supplier from Filtech (Dana/Wix) to Honeywell (a/k/a Fram) caused me to ask, "OK, what in the heck is in that new blue can? Is it the same as the orange can? And what was in the old blue can?" Well, this snowballed into including a couple of selected aftermarket filters, and then, and then, and then... and by the time all was said and done, I'd cut apart 8 filters!


The subjects:

Honda 15400-PLM-A01, $4.88 from H&A Accessories
Honda 15400-PLM-A02, $5.95 from local dealer
Advance Auto "totalgrip" AA7317, $2.50
Purolator PureOne PL14610, $5 at Advance Auto
Fram Extra Guard PH7317, $5 at Advance Auto
Wix 51356, $6 at local parts supplier
Bosch Premium 3323, $7 at AutoZone
Mobil1 M1-110, $11 at AutoZone
Amsoil SDF13, $14 at local Parts-Plus franchise

Summary

Best: Honda 15400-PLM-A01, by a large margin. This is the "old" blue can.

Alternative: Wix 51356, but with more frequent changes.

Worst: A tie between Fram Extra Guard and Honda 15400-PLM-A02; Amsoil and Mobil1 get very bad marks for too-little filtering.

Surprise: Mobil1's and Amsoil's pathetic amount of actual filter.

Advice: Stock-up on 15400-PLM-A01 if you can!




Honda 15400-PLM-A01 ("blue can" introduced in 2003)

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Labeled "Filtech, Inc." It is made by Dana, which also makes Wix. Frankly, I was extremely impressed when I cracked the can. It has a very different filter media from the rest, which appears to be more of a synthetic weave than a treated paper. It had the most filter area of our sample set - by far - at 151 square inches, the result of deep pleating. Only negative I could find was metal-to-metal contact on the bypass valve, which risks undesired trickle of bypass. I have to mention the minor drawback of a stamped tension spring, but it's a really good one, made out of tempered spring steel and not just bent sheet metal.

This filter doesn't have traditional end caps. What it does have is a felt-like polyester material which seals the ends of the pleating enough to prevent bypass. The base gasket is special to Honda. It is a half-round design, with a flat surface against the baseplate but a curved surface against the block. Another unique feature is a semi-labyrinth seal between the anti-drainback valve and the filter core - best seal of the bunch.

This filter may be made by Filtech/Dana/Wix, but nothing about it resembles the off-the-shelf Wix. Consider it a completely custom design.

This is clearly the best filter of the lot by an immense margin. I sincerely hope that Honda is not planning on discontinuing this excellent design given the introduction of the next filter

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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 09:28 PM
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I can get the filters for nothing since i'm working at Honda now, i guess i'll have to start using them.
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Originally Posted by ronn1
Best: Honda 15400-PLM-A01, by a large margin. This is the "old" blue can.

Alternative: Wix 51356, but with more frequent changes.

Worst: A tie between Fram Extra Guard and Honda 15400-PLM-A02; Amsoil and Mobil1 get very bad marks for too-little filtering.

Surprise: Mobil1's and Amsoil's pathetic amount of actual filter.

Advice: Stock-up on 15400-PLM-A01 if you can!
Based on what he is stating, my guess is that the -A02 filter is the replacement for the -A01, so the current and future Honda filter is something to stay away from. Big question is - how long with HandA be ablel to supply them?

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I found a Japanese *Honda* OEM filter that's even better than the A01.
I it comes in the *newer smaller* version, which is the SAME size as the original 350Z. I confirmed that it FITS the 350Z. It also comes in a larger (LONGER) version like the A01. Note that they say here the smaller version provides MORE PRESSURE (5PSI) for high performance cars. BTW..THAT's the reason Nissan went with a smaller can with the Z! I read the FLOW is the same and fiters flows better to compensate for smaller size.






Short Version of Hamp Oil Filters
will have better pressure for the engine than the Long version.
And that is why this version of Hamp is more popular and widely used by HONDA FANS in JAPAN.

Comes with Orginal HAMP Box
Part number H1500-PFB-515.
Hamp is Honda's Japanese aftermarket product "Hamp Synergy". The Hamp Synergy is set up after the Honda original parts products.

The smaller size oil filter will work with all cars that will give higher and more consisitent oil pressure which can protect your engine more better ( Especially for VTEC )

Hamp is Honda's Japanese aftermarket product "Hamp Synergy". The Hamp Synergy is set up after the Honda original parts products.
The unique spring-controlled by-pass valve regulates the oil flow to ensure that the oil pressure is maintained constant under various operating conditions. The body of the Hamp oil filter covered by anti-corrosion paint


Here is ebay listing with application guide. Put in nissan 350Z and you'll see it comes up as being compatible.


Part no - H1540-PFB-515

The latest technology available from new engine development.

It keeps the same performance at a smaller size by improving the filtration material and its construction

Features

Body
High Quality Anti-corrosion paint

Relif Valve
It keeps oil circulation by adjusting the oil flow when the element is stuffed, or when the engine was turned on under ultra low temperatures.

Filter Element
Using high performance element which effectively catches corpuscle like dust and carbon particles.

Drain Back Valve
Made of heat-resistant silicone to prevents countercurrent oil when the engine stops, and because of this, oil starts circulating quicker upon re-start of the engine.

Will Fit Some Infiniti, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Subaru

Please Check On Our Ebay Compatibility To Made Sure It Fit On Your Car And Model


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-HAMP-HIGH-...sories&vxp=mtr

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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 11:51 AM
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So..is the OEM smaller filter the way to go?
Found this:

http://www.aussiev8.com.au/holden-v8...tml#post169946

GMH went to the smaller filter in an effort to build up oil pressure quicker on startup. We had a GMH bulletin about it when it was first introduced with the VN. Space wasn't the issue.

Sounds like this is the rationale for smaller Z filter.
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As long as the filter stays full of oil, which it's supposed to do and probably does, there's no change in the time it takes for pressure to build up when you start the engine. The oil is not compressed when it's put under pressure. What goes in is the same as what comes out.

If you're talking about the initial filing of the filter after installing a new filter, it does take a little longer, but it's probably of no consequence to engine longevity.
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 01:56 PM
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Nissan used huge GM interchangeable filters on the L-series, KA's used a big filter, everything (GTR too!)now uses the tiny 15208-series. Courtesy Nissan says the only difference is external size/internal volume.
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Originally Posted by winchman
As long as the filter stays full of oil, which it's supposed to do and probably does, there's no change in the time it takes for pressure to build up when you start the engine. The oil is not compressed when it's put under pressure. What goes in is the same as what comes out.

If you're talking about the initial filing of the filter after installing a new filter, it does take a little longer, but it's probably of no consequence to engine longevity.
I don't think the filter is full at cold start up. You saw the tidbit I posted on GMH (Holden Australia) specifying a small filter for just that reason.
Well this begs the question...WHY would engineers at Nissan then specify a SMALLER filter when space isn't a consideration?
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The filter is very close to the bottom of the engine, so all the oil in the galleries above the filter would have to sneak past the backflow valve and through the pump for the filter to get any air in it. That's just not going to happen if the car is driven regularly.

There's really no need for a larger filter if the small one will do the job well. The 350Z uses the same size Nissan filter as the GT-R, so it can't be all that bad.

There's not much chance any real dirt will get into a modern engine, and sludge isn't a problem when the car is serviced regularly. Engine's don't make any metal that the filter will stop unless they're in the self-destruct mode. So, there's really not much for the filter to do but stop the occasional piece of debris left over from the manufacturing process and bits of carbon (oil cooked on the underside of the pistons) that didn't get mashed up by the oil pump.

I'll just use the OEM filters until the car is past the drivetrain warranty period. That way Nissan can't blame an engine problem on the filter.

I do think it's interesting that the Nissan Titan uses the 7317 filter that's used on the Civic.

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I'll just use the OEM filters until the car is past the drivetrain warranty period. That way Nissan can't blame an engine problem on the filter.

I do think it's interesting that the Nissan Titan uses the 7317 filter that's used on the Civic.
Good info...
Oh... Then why would you then want to switch after the warranty period?
If it ain't broke.......
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Default New Napa Platinum (WIX) Oil Filter

It's now available at Napa stores and distributors. Has 100% Synthetic Filter.
Looks like Bypass was moved to the top of the filter (vs the GOLD at the entrance).
Expensive...$13.00. Looks like Donaldson filter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRbDfhgOOgo
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You're right...there's really no reason to switch.
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