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Old 04-29-2012, 07:08 AM
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Default 10k Oil change intervals?? Amsoil XL

I started running amsoil XL and dealers say that it is ok and good for 10k oil changes-forced induction and all. They make a signature series that says on the bottle--25k miles. Wow
Anyways,
I am currently FI ST. I have always changed my oil between 3k-4k miles. Now that Im running this amsoil XL they said 10k is normal and all. I had the regular purlator filter and he said if I wasnt running the amsoil filter then just change the filter at 5k and after-get the amsoil filter that was good for 10k-15k miles. Now they say you can send the oil in after so many miles for an analysis and all to see how it is doing also. I havent done that. Im at the 5k mark and changed the filter w another purlator. Oil isnt crazy dark or anything. Im far from lazy, so thats not the reason why Im waiting. I think that the 3k interval is over-rated personally.

Now to the questions.....

-Am I crazy to even let it hit the 5k mark and still havent changed the oil?
-Are they crazy? Especially the 25k (why would they make it and print on it)?
-Am I/Should I even risk the 10k mark?
-Stick w/ the 3k-4k oil change interval?
-5k ok?
-Change it now (5k mark)?
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*Note that this is an oil discussion so absolutely everything that you hear (including me) will be nothing more than personal opinions based on how the marketing "data" available spoke to the writer*

With that being said:
No
No
Yes
No
Yes
No

I would run it at least 10-15k but certainly change the filters at normal intervals. When synthetic oil first hit the market, part of its selling feature was that it lasted longer and it was stated on the bottles. Then they noticed that over zealous car maintenance customers like to go overboard on oil changes because it's the only thing that the customer tends to know how to do on their own. Suddenly, the extra mileage that synthetics used to get disappeared from the packaging while conventional oil continued to say "change at 3k". I've always believed that synthetic oil should be good for significantly longer.
HOWEVER... When they say forced induction, they are likely referring to factory turbo'd vehicles and that's not what you're talking about, so I'm re-thinking this...
AMS Oil is so expensive it should last forever and change itself, so if you didn't believe their marketing, why did you buy it?
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Its not that I dont belive anything. I am just very cautious and over-think a lot of things. Everybody knows the 'better safe then sorry' quote. The dealer did ask me "have you been running it hard?" also. So Im sure there are different situations to when you should change it-track,drift,drag,etc.. Im not crazy with it. Actually calmed it down a little. So not into boost all the time, its in just here and there. Want the motor to last.

And....
Amsoil is actually not that expensive. I think that royal purple is more expensive.

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SAE 5W-30 XL Extended Life Synthetic Motor Oil

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Formulated for up to 10,000-miles/six month intervals, or longer when recommended in owners’ manuals or indicated by oil monitoring systems. Provides better wear control, high- and low-temperature protection and increased fuel economy compared to conventional oils.
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its better being safe then sorry change ur oil every 3k
oil is alot cheaper then rebuilding ur motor if it blows up from oil starvation
Old 04-29-2012, 10:12 AM
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Just get it analyzed. I wouldn't take it that far the first change though.
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Changong oil at 3k intervals (if you are using good oil)is doing nothing but putting bucks in the oil companies pockets.Keep doing the 3k as a ritual if you must.Cars designed these days do well at 5-6k changes.As far as 10k changes,I don't car what typw of oil you are using,I just don't buy it.
Hey,realistically...most guys on this forum have not bought their Z new.Also,probably don't know what the previous owner/owners did inthe way of oil changes&maintenance.
In addition,you probably won't keep your Z to say,150k+ miles.
I'm in the minority.I usually buy new,keep the car,sometimes well over 200 k miles.
I've done this several times.Along with my 03 Touring,I've followed the 5-6k oil change
schedule.Have not used the "latest-wiz bang trendy" oil that everyone just has to have.
I used a synthetic blend,usually Valvoline.My cars have lasted with no oil use.
My Z uses maybe if that,a half a qt to top up between changes.A good filter is a must.
Again,nothing special.I'll go with a OEM Nissan most times.
Its your money
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I was thinking at least 5k was ok. I went to the shop and was going to get more oil to do the 5k change and he said i was ok. So hek. Idk. Im iffy going 10k. That's what I do w my diesel truck. And the manual says 7500. And that holds 12quarts.
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I have always done my changes at 3k intervals even with synthetic. Since my build I have done 5 changes in 7k miles. Obviously the first two were very short intervals.

I have had all of them tested by Blackstone and all of them had over 90% of their life left (2k each for 3) but all had break in metals somewhat higher than the norm.

I'd by far rather throw away an hour and the 50 bucks the Wix filter and Castrol Titanium I am running costs to save my 12k+ motor cost me.
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I do mine every 5k miles with Pennzoil Platinum but I'm not FI. There is a very interesting oil thread on here somewhere stating that, based on oil analysis, I could go 10k miles between oil changes but that is out of my comfort zone.
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^ e30cabrio, I hear ya, and as long as you're comfortable with it, that's good.

But, his test data is showing that there was a lot of life left in that oil, so I think it's reasonable to push it a lot farther than 3k. I'd certainly go 5k and I'd like to see some test results from someone that went over 10k. I would not let a filter go past 3-5k however.
I certainly don't know, but I've got to think that diesels are much harder on oil than gasoline vehicles when you think about the amount of suspended particles that they have to maintain. I mean, diesel oil turns blacker than ape **** practically by the time you first pull the dipstick to verify the oil level after changing and starting it! True, they call for a lot more oil, but they are large displacement engines designed for constant pulling. A Ford Powerstroke takes close to 16L if I recall correctly.
I just think that there must be a reasonable limit to the "better safe than sorry" mentality at some point. Bicycle helmets, wearing fall-arrest gear while walking on enclosed scaffolding, ski helmets, concealed firearms etc, etc... At some point people will suggest wearing helmets to protect against debris falling from airplanes and it all stems from the same basic argument. Of course, this pales in comparison because it is still relatively cheap and not too inconvenient, but I think it's important to try to keep it all in perspective.
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That 10k is just killing me. Just thinking about it. Ahhh. But why the f would they print it if its not possible ?
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Like DaveJackson said, I wouldn't use an oil filter for more than 5k miles. I'm sure the oil CAN withhold the longevity but why push it.
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you have to look at the time frame as well if you only drive it 1000 miles(being very extreme here) every 6 months the oils is going to be jello when you change it.(no joke lady brought her car in and told us she had only driven it 1500 miles since last oil change..............12 months previous we had to cut the oil out of the pan with a knife.) you also have to look at what is in the oil its not all about just the life left. finally it also depends on your driving habit, me personally my car will prob get every 2500 miles when its back togeather if not sooner since i know im going to drive it hard, which breaks down oil quicker. but if its just normal driving then you should be fine, i personally wouldnt do it since i have seen problems from it but if your not having issues with that oil change routine then more power to yah.
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I am FI and i change my oil every 5-6000 miles and i use 0w40 Mobil 1 and i have been FI'ed for over 70,000 miles and still going strong.I just dont trust going 10,000 miles though.
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Wow. 70k?? That's great. I'm about 15k right now.
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The only way to know is get it tested, no point in trying to guess at it. Amsoil Is a good oil and has been around a long time.
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Originally Posted by DaveJackson
^ e30cabrio, I hear ya, and as long as you're comfortable with it, that's good.

But, his test data is showing that there was a lot of life left in that oil, so I think it's reasonable to push it a lot farther than 3k. I'd certainly go 5k and I'd like to see some test results from someone that went over 10k. I would not let a filter go past 3-5k however.
I certainly don't know, but I've got to think that diesels are much harder on oil than gasoline vehicles when you think about the amount of suspended particles that they have to maintain. I mean, diesel oil turns blacker than ape **** practically by the time you first pull the dipstick to verify the oil level after changing and starting it! True, they call for a lot more oil, but they are large displacement engines designed for constant pulling. A Ford Powerstroke takes close to 16L if I recall correctly.
I just think that there must be a reasonable limit to the "better safe than sorry" mentality at some point. Bicycle helmets, wearing fall-arrest gear while walking on enclosed scaffolding, ski helmets, concealed firearms etc, etc... At some point people will suggest wearing helmets to protect against debris falling from airplanes and it all stems from the same basic argument. Of course, this pales in comparison because it is still relatively cheap and not too inconvenient, but I think it's important to try to keep it all in perspective.
If it were 16 liters I'd reconsider but at 7 (big oil pan and oil cooler and filter) I am fine going 3-5 which is what I'll be doing as soon as I get a break in material free report (hopefully the next one) I did not change the oil filter between change 3 and 4 though but I am running the big wix # 51347.
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Now I dont think Id ever go 25k but this is from the signature series oil:


SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline-fueled vehicles as follows:

• Normal Service(3) – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
• Severe Service(4) – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
• In all non-gasoline-fueled vehicle applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
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