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View Poll Results: How badly does your shifter rattle under normal to high-load operation?
As expected, as per many, many reviews prior to release.
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It's rattling quite a bit, but I'm not worried.
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PLEASE! Make it stop! This is embarrassing!
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Old Jan 4, 2003 | 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by JDZ
I choose option 4) Rattle, what rattle?
I'm afraid option 4 is mine too. My race car has stiff engine mounts and a short shift kit and it feels a little notchy (just like the Z) and rattles a little too. I really don't think there is any good way of getting rid of it. A car is full of trade-offs and shifter feel is one of them.

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Old Jan 5, 2003 | 07:10 PM
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Where is the poll answer for "Stop whining like a little ***** about the shifter vibrations, it's a damn sports car with directly coupled linkage, not a f@cking Civic!"?
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Old Jan 5, 2003 | 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Z33
Shifter got vibe, no rattle. After 15 years of cable shifter (mid-engine, rear transaxle), the Z shifter is a real treat, direct, positive and connected. A bit of vibe never hurt anybody.

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I think Z33 may be close to the issue here. Since I was obsessed w/the 5AT, I didn't pay much attention to the 6MT. Isn't it a mechanical linkage? If it is, it will feel very different from the cable linkages many of us have been driving for years in front wheel drive cars. The cable linkages don't clunk, rattle, vibrate or hard to shift unless something's wrong, usually. There are always exceptions, of course. You just don't get many.

A mechanical linkage is dfferent and slower/harder to shift than cable linkages. If the Z's linkage is mechanical(it should be to handle the engine's torque), patience is needed with the breakin process, yeah, you break it in too. If you are trying to speedshift the transmission like a cable linkage from the first, problems could occur. By the way, Ferrari linkages often CLUNK when you shift to another gear, at least they do on the front-engine models I've read about in reputable car mags.

A vibration is common, a little rattle not unheard of, but a big rattle is cause for dealer attention.

Boomer--just a WAG.

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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by bhobson333
I haven't heard any rattle at all from my shifter at 1400 miles. I think I have detected a pattern in the posts here, though. Those that are driving the Z the way it's SUPPOSED to be driven (F*ck the bogus breakin recommendation in the owner's manual ) aren't getting any rattle. Those that are keeping it below 4000 RPM are getting rattle. Maybe the rattle is only evident at a certain RPM and we are passing through that RPM so fast it never gets a chance to rattle!
Are you shitting me?!? Mine rattles way over 4K RPM. I guess 100 in 5th with a 5K rev match to 4th isn't driving it like it should be driven. What the f*ck ever.
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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 09:17 AM
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Anyone in Dallas wants to listen to my shifter RATTLE like a chainsaw, let me know. I'm sick of you people telling me I've got a little vibration in my shifter. I don't leave my hand ON THE SHIFTER, so if it was only vibrating, I wouldn't notice!!!

And furthermore, I DON'T BABY IT!!! You Track owners need to get off your high-horse like you're the only one's that drive aggressively.

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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by McDan
Where is the poll answer for "Stop whining like a little ***** about the shifter vibrations, it's a damn sports car with directly coupled linkage, not a f@cking Civic!"?
Oh dear, look at this sub-personality. You take another swan dive off the high board of incomprehension - and no water in the pool! You must be black and blue, poor thing.

Droid is asking about a rattle, not a vibration - I think, unlike you, he knows the difference. Read the post.

Now go change your panty shields. This outburst of yours got you all squishy and unfresh.
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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by wxtornado
Oh dear, look at this sub-personality. You take another swan dive off the high board of incomprehension - and no water in the pool! You must be black and blue, poor thing.

Droid is asking about a rattle, not a vibration - I think, unlike you, he knows the difference. Read the post.

Now go change your panty shields. This outburst of yours got you all squishy and unfresh.
Thank you, kind sir. Are you the only one who understands the difference between an inaudible vibration and a loud rattle? Seems so.
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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 10:56 AM
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Lol, I just realized I never addressed your concern, droid. I don't hear anything from my shifter at all. Everyone's will most likely vibrate, but I'd definitely get a rattle-sound checked out. If you were to guess, would you say it's actually something in your transmission, or a piece somewhere else in the car picking up the vibration?
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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 11:17 AM
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Lol, I just realized I never addressed your concern, droid. I don't hear anything from my shifter at all. Everyone's will most likely vibrate, but I'd definitely get a rattle-sound checked out. If you were to guess, would you say it's actually something in your transmission, or a piece somewhere else in the car picking up the vibration?
It's all in the shifter. The shaft is hitting something hidden by the boot.

It's not even an issue anymore (I live with it), but I got so bent out of shape by A. the accusations that I don't have a rattle; or B. that I drive like a granny.
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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by droidekaus
Are you shitting me?!? Mine rattles way over 4K RPM. I guess 100 in 5th with a 5K rev match to 4th isn't driving it like it should be driven. What the f*ck ever.
Sorry, I didn't mean to **** you off. I guess if I had that obnoxious rattle in my car, I'd be on edge, too. Take the thing to the dealer!
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Old Jan 6, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by bhobson333
Sorry, I didn't mean to **** you off. I guess if I had that obnoxious rattle in my car, I'd be on edge, too. Take the thing to the dealer!
I'm sorry for being a dick about it. It's just annoying to be told I don't drive it like I should. Believe me, I do.
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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 09:13 AM
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I get no noise at all from my shifter or transmission, or engine or....oh crap, I don't own the car yet. Nevermind.
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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 12:15 PM
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damn droid i thought you were a little **** when you started comlaining about the feathering issues but after you posted a pick i was in shock theres obviously something wrong there man as for the shifter i get no rattle at all even a 5 or 6 k no rattle i just have that little vibration on my shifter if you say it rattles i belive youand if i was you id be pissed myself man you must of got a lemon car or something i dont know what other probs you got but i wuld go to the dealer asap that rattle is not normal
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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by droidekaus
I'm sorry for being a dick about it. It's just annoying to be told I don't drive it like I should. Believe me, I do.
I don't like rattles either! almost been bitten a few times. As a former auto tech I would suggest you take the car to the dealership on your off day. Get the service advisor or better yet the tech himself and show them first hand what you are hearing. That way no one is second guessing what is happening. Don't worry about scaring the tech. They are a dime a dozen as tech schools are turning them out every day. While the rattle is occouring the tech can be looking around to see where it is comming from. This is hard for the tech to do himself while driving. I will let this go with this statement. Noise, Viberations, and Harsh ride are the hardest troubles to find and fix. It almost always takes the customers involvment to repair. good luck and let us know what you find.
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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by droidekaus
You Track owners need to get off your f*cking high-horse like you're the only one's that drive aggressively.
Are we really this bad?

I'm sorry, I find your statement strangely amusing but at the same time disturbing. What you are suggesting is that not only do the Honda S2k owners and Mustang owners seek to distinguish themselves from Z owners, but that "Track Z" owners are now some kind of sub-culture within the Z community.

I'm sure you feel this way otherwise you wouldn't have said it. And I'm not trying to diminish the way you felt at the time you said it either. But, why is it such a part of human nature for people to see others as belonging to a specific group or clan? Why do so many people seek to belong to smaller and smaller groups?

If taken to an extreme, you end up with a group of one. These people are called "loaners". So you see, even loaners are branded as a group. I don't study philosophy or anything, but, I've always been curious about the "gang" mentality. Being that I grew up in England, I got to see this behavior at Soccer matches. Of course, then there were gangs driven by musical cultures, like the Rockers against the Mods and the Mods against the Skin Heads and the Skin Heads against the Teddy Boys. My whole teenage years were dominated by dodging gangs of people who didn't like the way I looked or the way I dressed.

I think Yoda said it best:

"Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering."

Perhaps Brian was a little hasty in assuming your experiences were the product of the inherent design and function of a short-shifter. I certainly was thinking along the same lines. However, I think you've made a good argument that you have an extreme case of the rattles. But certainly us "Track" guys can't be all that bad.

Fly

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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Flyingscot
... But, why is it such a part of human nature for people to see others as belonging to a specific group or clan? Why do so many people seek to belong to smaller and smaller groups?

I think Yoda said it best:

"Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering."
Damn.



That's why I like this board. Philosophy mixed in with controversy.

And he doesn't even use Zaino!

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Old Jan 7, 2003 | 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Flyingscot
Are we really this bad?

I'm sorry, I find your statement strangely amusing but at the same time disturbing. What you are suggesting is that not only do the Honda S2k owners and Mustang owners seek to distinguish themselves from Z owners, but that "Track Z" owners are now some kind of sub-culture within the Z community.

I'm sure you feel this way otherwise you wouldn't have said it. And I'm not trying to diminish the way you felt at the time you said it either. But, why is it such a part of human nature for people to see others as belonging to a specific group or clan? Why do so many people seek to belong to smaller and smaller groups?

If taken to an extreme, you end up with a group of one. These people are called "loaners".

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Do you mean "loners"?

That statement was made out of extreme anger after hearing for the 18th million time that if you don't own a Track, you don't really drive the car. Unfortuntely, bhobson took the brunt of my attack which I have already apologized for.

Here, on other boards and out in the real world, there is a tendency towards an underlying sentiment that Track owners are the chosen few, the only individuals who can push the Z to it's fullest potential.

Rubbish.
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Old Jan 8, 2003 | 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by wxtornado
Oh dear, look at this sub-personality. You take another swan dive off the high board of incomprehension - and no water in the pool! You must be black and blue, poor thing.

Droid is asking about a rattle, not a vibration - I think, unlike you, he knows the difference. Read the post.

Now go change your panty shields. This outburst of yours got you all squishy and unfresh.
Ok, numbnutts.. Reading the original post question "How badly does your shifter rattle under normal to high-load operation?" led me to believe "rattle" meant merely a vibration. Audible rattling was not clarified until further on in the post. If my shifter audibly rattled, I would complain about it too. So I'll admit I took the intent of the poll incorrectly. I'm sick of all the whining about minor normal details on the car, vibrations being one of them. Rattling would be more than minor. No rattling whatsoever on mine 1800 miles.


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Old Jan 8, 2003 | 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by droidekaus
Do you mean "loners"?


....Track owners are the chosen few, the only individuals who can push the Z to it's fullest potential.

Rubbish.
Damn! You got me there, droidekaus. "loner" is indeed what I meant. A case of late night and the on-set of a cold is my excuse de jour. :-)

BTW , I thought only the English used the word "Rubbish" to mean "crap". There is more to you than meets the eye.

Keep up the good work!

And for God sake, get that bloody car fixed before we go starting another thread :-)
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Old Jan 12, 2003 | 03:06 AM
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I will go on the record as having this exact same problem. At 5k miles, the shifter has picked up an audible rattle when under load at certain RPMs. The problem is most evident in 2nd gear. For some reason, first and third don't cause an audible rattle, although the typical vibration is still evident.

The rattle seems to be coming from the shift handle as you can mute it by placing your hand on the ****, but it may actually be tapping something farther down and the sound is just transferred up the shifter. At first I thought the cap at the top was loose, but everything appears to be attached firmly.
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