THE NEW Rota Boost on our Z!!! (Gold & Hyper Black)
03-16-2009, 12:36 PM
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I don't think that it really matters about what other people think based on just looks or what you purchase per say. However, the main point is the ethical part of the business practices that people seem to be so dumbfounded about...wondering why people don't cut resellers of replica items much slack. The other main point I was also referencing was the fact of how some people's actions cause problems for others which is not right.
03-17-2009, 06:45 PM
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I think most of us understand that Wheeldude is just trying to make a living. However, when the income is coming from a company such as Rota that blatantly steals ideas/designs from other companies for their own profit, the concept of trying to make an "honest living" sort of goes right out the window. Reference a basic list of how much "stealing" Rota does below. This is not the case of Robin Hood here guys. Making an honest living is one thing, but when it involves indirectly stealing from others, there naturally is not much sympathy in people's hearts. I believe the people bashing his business practices would find another product to sell or do something else to make an "honest living" if they were in his shoes.
The truth of the matter though is during economic times like this, inferior goods (economics term not that the product is completely horrible) tend to sell really well. Good examples would be Coca-cola vs. store brand cola etc. Couple that with the fact that the owners of 350z's are getting younger by the day due to the price drop on the vehicles and it's just a recipe for lower quality products being thrown on similar to the kids over at honda-tech. I'm sure replica companies sales are doing just fine if not better than before during this recession and with the influx of young blood in the 350z community. Either way, money talks and bs walks which is why the forum allows this to go on. If wheeldude pays his vendor fees, that's all they care about with all ethical issues aside. That is a whole entire topic aside from this though.
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The truth of the matter though is during economic times like this, inferior goods (economics term not that the product is completely horrible) tend to sell really well. Good examples would be Coca-cola vs. store brand cola etc. Couple that with the fact that the owners of 350z's are getting younger by the day due to the price drop on the vehicles and it's just a recipe for lower quality products being thrown on similar to the kids over at honda-tech. I'm sure replica companies sales are doing just fine if not better than before during this recession and with the influx of young blood in the 350z community. Either way, money talks and bs walks which is why the forum allows this to go on. If wheeldude pays his vendor fees, that's all they care about with all ethical issues aside. That is a whole entire topic aside from this though.
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Well said brotha!
Also look at the cost of authentic parts. A main reason why authentic parts have become expensive, aside from the exchange rate, is the fact that manufacturers have to recoup their cost of R&D as well as make up for their loss of sales because of "knock-off" companies.
Some will argue the fact that every wheel company that has a mesh design knocked it off a BBS design. However, there are differences, as slight as they maybe. With Rota, they are blatantly stealing designs from companies like Advan, Work and Volk.
In the end, the community as a whole suffers when companies that put time and money into R&D go under because they can't compete with companies that are stealing their designs and selling them at a fraction of the cost because they do not have to recoup capital that was invested into R&D.
03-17-2009, 07:26 PM
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Yeah the 350z is becoming cheaper every year for used ones. Someone goes to the used carlot and decides between a civic or 350z. What do you think that person will buy if he is in the hunt for speed? A 350. Well I do feel that the 350 is starting to become the civic and you know how many riced out civic's there are out
The only thing that might keep people from buying one is the insurance
The only thing that might keep people from buying one is the insurance
03-18-2009, 05:24 PM
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Well said. I put all of these comparisons and many more on my blog:
www.FakeWheels.com
Seems like there pretty much is a replica for everything!
www.FakeWheels.com
Seems like there pretty much is a replica for everything!
I think most of us understand that Wheeldude is just trying to make a living. However, when the income is coming from a company such as Rota that blatantly steals ideas/designs from other companies for their own profit, the concept of trying to make an "honest living" sort of goes right out the window. Reference a basic list of how much "stealing" Rota does below. This is not the case of Robin Hood here guys. Making an honest living is one thing, but when it involves indirectly stealing from others, there naturally is not much sympathy in people's hearts. I believe the people bashing his business practices would find another product to sell or do something else to make an "honest living" if they were in his shoes.
The truth of the matter though is during economic times like this, inferior goods (economics term not that the product is completely horrible) tend to sell really well. Good examples would be Coca-cola vs. store brand cola etc. Couple that with the fact that the owners of 350z's are getting younger by the day due to the price drop on the vehicles and it's just a recipe for lower quality products being thrown on similar to the kids over at honda-tech. I'm sure replica companies sales are doing just fine if not better than before during this recession and with the influx of young blood in the 350z community. Either way, money talks and bs walks which is why the forum allows this to go on. If wheeldude pays his vendor fees, that's all they care about with all ethical issues aside. That is a whole entire topic aside from this though.
Actual thread tags from this very thread:
Some "new" Rota products:
The truth of the matter though is during economic times like this, inferior goods (economics term not that the product is completely horrible) tend to sell really well. Good examples would be Coca-cola vs. store brand cola etc. Couple that with the fact that the owners of 350z's are getting younger by the day due to the price drop on the vehicles and it's just a recipe for lower quality products being thrown on similar to the kids over at honda-tech. I'm sure replica companies sales are doing just fine if not better than before during this recession and with the influx of young blood in the 350z community. Either way, money talks and bs walks which is why the forum allows this to go on. If wheeldude pays his vendor fees, that's all they care about with all ethical issues aside. That is a whole entire topic aside from this though.
Actual thread tags from this very thread:
Some "new" Rota products:
03-18-2009, 06:32 PM
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Well said. I put all of these comparisons and many more on my blog:
www.FakeWheels.com
Seems like there pretty much is a replica for everything!
www.FakeWheels.com
Seems like there pretty much is a replica for everything!
you do realize Rays made these wheels for Axis right? They aren't replica's..
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...s/IMGP1322.jpg
http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/gram-l...-axis-circuit/
these wheels don't even look similar
http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/volk-g...-adr-sokudo10/
I stopped after the first few entries, didn't want to waste my time reading anymore garbage
03-18-2009, 06:50 PM
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these wheels don't even look similar
http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/volk-g...-adr-sokudo10/
I stopped after the first few entries, didn't want to waste my time reading anymore garbage
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these wheels don't even look similar
http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/volk-g...-adr-sokudo10/
http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/volk-g...-adr-sokudo10/
http://www.fakewheels.com/images/ADR-sokudo-10.jpg
It's an exact replica. The white version i posted hides the details due to color and proportion.
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03-18-2009, 07:22 PM
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you do realize Rays made these wheels for Axis right? They aren't replica's..
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...s/IMGP1322.jpg
http://fakewheels.com/2009/03/gram-l...-axis-circuit/
03-19-2009, 03:02 PM
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Although I have Volks, I do have to raise the flag on the "reason" prices are so high is due to R/D! It cant be that much R/D going on to charge for some of those pieces to include CF.
03-19-2009, 03:10 PM
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It's not all R/D.. The same Volk's I purchased in 2005 are now $800 more for the full set. In 2008 they increased MSRP $100 per wheel and again in 2009 they increased MSRP $100 per wheel. I'm sure this is mostly to due with the US dollar changing but it's getting to be too rich for my blood. After bending my Volk wheels I've now ran Rota's for the last few years and have been very happy with their quality and performance.
03-19-2009, 06:27 PM
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03-19-2009, 06:51 PM
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It's not all R/D.. The same Volk's I purchased in 2005 are now $800 more for the full set. In 2008 they increased MSRP $100 per wheel and again in 2009 they increased MSRP $100 per wheel. I'm sure this is mostly to due with the US dollar changing but it's getting to be too rich for my blood. After bending my Volk wheels I've now ran Rota's for the last few years and have been very happy with their quality and performance.
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03-19-2009, 08:47 PM
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RICK i know what your saying and you got a good point but its a never ending discussion. If everyone could afford volks than you wouldn't be such a baller with yours lol. I stopped getting mad at replica or non authentic parts ppl put on z's. It's just another reason I would only get the real deal and be that much different from the rest. just my 2 cents.