i think this issue is not going to stop.


who gives a damn if you buy fake wheels or the real deal?Seriously.not everyone here is a baller.



Anyway..lets just all get along and quit this bS.:

 

As much as I respect both camps, this issue will never end. Regardless of ethics, as much as we all know the benefits of an authentic wheel or mod, there will always be a demographic catering to the fakes.

It's almost something we all sorta need to accept.

Heck, I had rota's when I had a civic. lol! They just seem to be decent looking wheels for the price and putting it on a daily driver. But does that mean I should stick to the same purchasing sense when it came to my DC5-R and Z, NO.

A lot of people who mods cars are not part of the auto community and will always be irresponsible taking care of the industry.


Bottom line, the reason it will never end is because people will purchase anything that gets the job done regardless of the pseudo-consequence.

 

I thought all the kids your age made $250,000 a year?

 

I definitely agree with you. Everyone is going to have varying opinions, which makes life interesting. I just chimed in when people were wondering why people bash him. As a simple example, it's like a crack dealer wondering why people in a neighborhood get pissed off at him for trying to make a living to feed his daughter. Some people would say that the crack dealer's actions encourage crime, theft, and drug abuse among the community and the other side of the argument would be he is just trying to make some money to survive.

 

We're getting along just fine. I honestly don't care if someone has to purchase Rota wheels. I was just stating the fact that people shouldn't be surprised if a replica vendor gets some heat for his actions. If you look at his posts closely, he has to walk a very fine line because he HAS TO. It's not a choice he really has from a personality standpoint, but from a business standpoint since he is of course in it to make a profit. The vendor knows that his business practices are not ethical and is on a very tight line to begin with. If he's smart, he does not want to do anything to fall off that line and lose face especially from the only people that he caters to, which is the niche market that does not have the money to spend on something more expensive for that specific application.

 

Thats just a wrong analogy. Creating replicas has nothing to do with breaking the law. Two different things here. In reality rays is not losing money because of competition, Rota is just making more money. you offer a product to the general public at good price and they will buy. Like the kirkland brand at costco. All kirkland is a knockoff at costco stores. I would have somewhat of a problem, but the truth is Rota is not doing anything illegal or anything the marketplace hasn't seen.

 

You must be very delusional if you truly believe that Rays has not lost any money from Rota's sales. Seriously are you really that blind and dense? I'm not even going to waste my breath explaining this part of your argument because you obviously have a few marbles loose if you truly believe this lol. Wow just wow.

Although, Rota may not technically be breaking the law. They sure are damn close. They already know this just like criminals that know how to beat the system to commit crimes with lack of evidence or loop holes in the justice system. If Mackin along with other wheel companies pursued a class action case, it would be pretty fun to watch. However the reality is most car companies are not capable to patent every design they make because the process and the sheer costs to having to protect themselves from thieves is way too much. Couple that with the time it takes to finalize the process and it does not make much sense when the car industry is about fast moving trends. I own a corporation and carry trademarks. It's definitely not cheap. I looked in to patents for some of my products, but the sheer cost is way too much for very little protection. Point being, is what Rota doing "illegal" technically? Maybe not, but like someone else has stated. It does not mean it is right.

Comparing water which is a natural resource is completely different from creative designs. Re bottled water and store brand items are sourced to a manufacturer directly and re branded under contract. That is legal and is an agreement the store has with a specific manufacturer. Rota does not ask for permission or obtain the rights to do so. If they do, i'd really like to see the proof. Then again, I wouldn't doubt that they would have posted about that if that was the case. lol

 

How is Rays losing money? That would be like saying they are losing money because of competition. Or losing money because others are selling there wheels for less money. Its the way the market works, if there are competitors you can't whine and complain you are losing money. Now like I said it isnt illegal, and no matter how much money it takes, Im sure Rays would have done this, after all they are a company with $$$

 

You would definitely be a terrible lawyer. You have no clue what you are talking about. Just do us all a favor and stop posting in this matter. You're really not doing Rota a favor by any means if a supporter of your caliber is on their side.

It's one thing when competition is making a better product of their own. The difference in this case is that they are directly copying another company's design to churn a profit. Did you not see the list on the other page? This is not Louis Vuitton competing with Coach here. For example, both of the companies in this example design purses. If one company makes a purse that consumers prefer over the other, that is true competition and the other company has nothing to stand on from an argument standpoint since they were out outperformed, out designed, and outright beaten.

With that said, lets compare authentic Louis Vuitton purses and their fakes. Not only are the fakes infringing on their trademark, but they are also stealing revenue from LV because it is a reality that people purchase the fakes for the following reasons:

(1)-They can't afford the real thing.
(2)-The price of the replica outweighs the benefit of owning the real thing for a night out at a dinner party.
(3)-They purchased it online not knowing that the purse was a fake.

LV would lose money from reasons 2 and 3 for sure. Reason 3 could easily be argued on why it is wrong to put Nismo or Volk stickers on Rotas. That is misleading to other consumers and outright wrong. If you cannot see the connection there then you need to go back to school and educate yourself some more. I'm not talking about Devry or ITT here either. lol

 

lol... purse analogy

 

You are the one who is delusional with your bad analogies. Until it is dimmed illegal, it just seems like whining. I really dont know why rays hasnt sued Rota. It seems like an easy win, maybe there is something here that I do not know when it comes to wheel design copyrights, but seems pretty straightforward.

 

It's to encourage more female interaction on this forum.

 

Yes, you did miss something. Maybe you should get a dictionary translation from English to moron. It's not that straightforward from a legal standpoint. Copyrights don't protect wheel designs and a lot of things in general. It's pretty easy to get around a copyright. Just ask any qualified lawyer and they can tell you that. Have a good day and learn something at school.

 

 

Rickdogg does make a point, but the Rota market is targeting consumers whom would either: never pay that much for rims or arent financially able. So, I dont think Mackin is losing much if any monies, I would simply adjust my price point to negate Rota's existance. I also dont understand the overhead arguement, being it seems like everything comes via the slowboat from Japan.


Edit: I cant believe I'm somewhat defending Rota!

 

Thanks. Looks like there is nothing Rays can do I guess, so this seems like a moot point.

I'd ask your lawyer for better analogies next time besides the crackhead and womens purses, but they did make me chuckle

 

The analogies that Rick posted are perfect to what is happening.

Stealing
Volk vs. Rota/Louis Vuitton vs. X company out of China
Company A designed something and put money into it.
Company B comes along and copies that design and markets it as their own at a cheaper price.

Competition
Volk vs. Work/Louis Vuitton vs. Gucci
Company A designs something.
Company B comes along and designs something better and out sells company A.

Learn how to read. It's been stated that it's not worth the trouble to try and sue Rota, because Volk and other companies don't hold patents to their wheel designs. It's also not deemed illegal because Rota isn't marketing their products as Volk wheels like knockoff purses do. They are just blatently stealing designs. The vendor who sells this product even goes as far as saying "New Rota Boost", technically it's not new.

 

Thats exactly what I meant, they are not offering them as Volk replicas. They sell them under the name Rota.

 

They need to come up with their own designs then like big boys.

 

I'm assuming everyone in this thread also purchases only name brand pharmacueticals and not generic.

*fans flames*