Good place for an oil change on the 350z???
04-14-2007, 03:32 PM
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Good place for an oil change on the 350z???
Anyone know a reputable shop or a Nissan dealership in DC/VA/MD area for an oil change on my 350z? Maybe a place near Arlington, VA. The guy I bought my 350z from is using Mobil 1 Synthetic. I am from Houston, Texas so I don't know the area too well. Any recommendations? Thanks!
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I take mine to Sheehy Nissan in Springfield, only because they bought out Mike Pallone Nissan. The manager of the service shop came over from Pallone, and they have always done a good job for me on our 2000 Maxima and now on the Z as well.
But one question, if you're in Rockville, why are you looking for a place near Arlington? That's a heck of a long way. I don't know any of the dealers up in your area, but you might want to look around there first.
But one question, if you're in Rockville, why are you looking for a place near Arlington? That's a heck of a long way. I don't know any of the dealers up in your area, but you might want to look around there first.
04-14-2007, 03:57 PM
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My billing address is Rockville. I am staying in Arlington with a lady friend. My sugar mama!!! LOL!
Thanks for the post reply!
Thanks for the post reply!
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Ah, the famous sugar moma trick! Well, as long as you're both happy. ;-)
The only other Nissan dealer I'm at all familiar with is Passport. Familiar with in a bad way - but that's based on a couple experiences years ago.
Sheehy so far has been fine. It's very close to Springfield Mall. Most likely your sweet sugar mama will know where that is - it's just about where 495, 395, and Franconia Road come together.
The only other Nissan dealer I'm at all familiar with is Passport. Familiar with in a bad way - but that's based on a couple experiences years ago.
Sheehy so far has been fine. It's very close to Springfield Mall. Most likely your sweet sugar mama will know where that is - it's just about where 495, 395, and Franconia Road come together.
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04-14-2007, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by A_FIVE-O's_350Z
Anyone know a reputable shop or a Nissan dealership in DC/VA/MD area for an oil change on my 350z? Maybe a place near Arlington, VA. The guy I bought my 350z from is using Mobil 1 Synthetic. I am from Houston, Texas so I don't know the area too well. Any recommendations? Thanks!
Rumor has it they do exhaust work too!
For the drive Chantily of Infiniti, then Functioned...depending on your seriousness of driving for an oil change...
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04-15-2007, 07:16 AM
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Molested copy of a post else where on the boards...
Why I (Corey Lancaster) chooses Mobile 1?
I sent a version of this, with charts and graphs to INFINITI to get my engine replaced....
Oil Analysis Thread *sticky*
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This is a thread for collecting Used Oil Analysis (UOA) data in order to determine which brands and weights of oil are working the best in our VQ engines.
So far, the best performers are:
Amsoil TSO 0W-30
Mobil 1 SuperSyn 0W-40
Redline 10W-40
Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 (It is inexpensive and protects great, but its TBN and KV numbers after normal use mean it isn't a good oil for long drain intervals over 3k miles or track days. Perfect for the daily driver who can can use a 10 grade winter weight.)
Oils that aren't worth the money in comparison:
Amsoil ASL 5W-30
Mobil 1 10W-30
Mobil 1 5W-30
*none of these oils performed as well as the top performers and cost about the same or more per bottle.
How did I come to this conclusion? Read on, and find out how to contribute to your own engine's performance as well as the benefit of the Z community.
Each UOA is performed at a lab using oil samples that have been sent to them by the customer. After running several tests on the oil sample sent to them, the lab sends a data sheet back to the customer that shows the general condition of the oil. The test results inform the customer about the trace elements in the oil they used, how much the oil has broken down with use, as well as the presence of any sludge, dirt, anti-freeze, and fuel. The purpose of having a UOA performed is to examine the properties and effectiveness of a particular oil, as well as to see any problems within the engine that may be developing.
I have compiled some charts with different UOA results in an effort to compare the pros and cons of each oil against each other. A big thanks goes out to MardiGrasMax for sending me the first round of UOA data. Thanks also to everyone else who has sent me their UOA or posted it here so we can all benefit. The individual UOA's that people have sent are posted later in this thread. Feel free to post new ones if you have some UOA's done on your engine oil, and I will add them to the chart I made in this post for easy comparison. If it is an oil that is already in the chart, I will add your results to make a new average for that particular oil. I include as much of the following as possible from each UOA:
Brand and Weight
Mileage put on the sample in between oil changes
Any oil added during the interval
Trace elements
Sustained or Kinematic Viscosity
Total Base Number
Note: I tried not to use the UOA of any oil that is discontinued or modified. For example, the Mobil 1 tests in the charts are all the SuperSyn formula- the current one. No tests of the old TriSyn or SynLube were considered since they are out of production, although old stock can sometimes be found.
To read the charts I made:
The top part of the chart ( The Green Section) contains each oil brand and weight, the mileage on the oil, and any fresh oil added during the drain interval. This is important to look at when comparing oils, as an oil that had just 1,000 miles on it when tested will obviously fare better than an oil that had 9,000 miles on it when tested, even if it is not really a better oil.
The next part ( The Grey Section) of the charts contain the following trace elements in parts per million, and reflect the amount of wear or additives in the oil. Also included here are possible sources of wear when the readings are higher than the normal limits:
Silicon (Si) and
Aluminum (Al) 10 to 30 ppm Dirt ingestion
Iron (Fe) 100 to 200 ppm Wear of cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump, rust in system
Chromium (CR) 10 to 30 ppm Piston ring wear
Copper (CU) 10 to 50 ppm Bearings and bushings wear
Lead (Pb) 40 to 100 ppm Bearing corrosion or Extended oil change intervals
Copper (CU)
Lead (Pb)* 10 to 50 ppm Bearing lining wear
Aluminum (Al) 10 to 30 ppm Piston and piston thrust bearing wear
Silver 2 to 5 ppm
Tin 10 to 30 ppm Wear of bearings
Molybdenum & Boron: These are normal oil additives to reduce friction. Some oils like M1 and Redline are very robust with Molybdenum, others use less of it.
The last part ( The Red Section) of the charts has the Viscosity numbers and the Total Base Number (TBN). The viscosity numbers are from a very specific test to determine the viscosity of an oil at a given temperature, as measured in cSt (centistrokes). The viscosity of the oil at operating temperature is the last number of the oil weight in a multi-weight oil. As an example, 5W-30 has the viscosity of a 30 weight oil at a standard operating temperature of 100 deg C. The corresponding viscosity test number for a 30 weight oil is 9.3-12.9 at 100 deg C, or 58-65 at 212 deg F. The reason some numbers are in deg F and others are in deg C is because different labs do different tests. The tests results that have deg F are what is called the Sustained Viscosity. The test results that have deg C are what is called Kinematic Viscosity. The details aren't really important here. What is important is to look at the numbers and realize a higher number means a thicker oil at temperature. There is a list compiled in a following post that lists the manufacturer data for viscosity at certain temperatures. We can compare the UOA result to oil viscocity when it was new and see if it has thinned out at all from stock. The TBN is an indication of how much of the base stock was left in the oil to fight acids that build up as a result of oxidation and deterioration of index modifiers. It is a good indication, along with the viscosity numbers, of how much the oil had been sheared and broken down.
The chart is attached below, and it is a comparison of different brands and weights. The oil brands and weights in red are average results from several tests. The ones in black, are single tests. The combined average brands and weight are more accurate in the results than the single tests, especially compared to those that did not report the mileage on the oil. I am goig to update the comparison chart as I get new UOA's, and will start another one for oils that have been used in FI engines.
Finally, I am not a chemical engineer, petroleum engineer, or tribologist. I don't pretend to be the authority on engine oils. If I have made, and probably have made, any errors, please let me know and I will edit this as neccessary. I have tried to make things very simple to understand and read. If anyone wants to get more technical and in-depth then there is another site dedicated to that end, and I would like to give that credit where it is do. The simple explanations I have posted here are from that site; www.bobistheoilguy.com and I encourage everyone to visit it. The more data we get, the more trends we can start to see among weights and brands in the VQ.
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Last edited by Resolute : 04-13-2007 at 07:24 PM.
I sent a version of this, with charts and graphs to INFINITI to get my engine replaced....
Oil Analysis Thread *sticky*
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a thread for collecting Used Oil Analysis (UOA) data in order to determine which brands and weights of oil are working the best in our VQ engines.
So far, the best performers are:
Amsoil TSO 0W-30
Mobil 1 SuperSyn 0W-40
Redline 10W-40
Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 (It is inexpensive and protects great, but its TBN and KV numbers after normal use mean it isn't a good oil for long drain intervals over 3k miles or track days. Perfect for the daily driver who can can use a 10 grade winter weight.)
Oils that aren't worth the money in comparison:
Amsoil ASL 5W-30
Mobil 1 10W-30
Mobil 1 5W-30
*none of these oils performed as well as the top performers and cost about the same or more per bottle.
How did I come to this conclusion? Read on, and find out how to contribute to your own engine's performance as well as the benefit of the Z community.
Each UOA is performed at a lab using oil samples that have been sent to them by the customer. After running several tests on the oil sample sent to them, the lab sends a data sheet back to the customer that shows the general condition of the oil. The test results inform the customer about the trace elements in the oil they used, how much the oil has broken down with use, as well as the presence of any sludge, dirt, anti-freeze, and fuel. The purpose of having a UOA performed is to examine the properties and effectiveness of a particular oil, as well as to see any problems within the engine that may be developing.
I have compiled some charts with different UOA results in an effort to compare the pros and cons of each oil against each other. A big thanks goes out to MardiGrasMax for sending me the first round of UOA data. Thanks also to everyone else who has sent me their UOA or posted it here so we can all benefit. The individual UOA's that people have sent are posted later in this thread. Feel free to post new ones if you have some UOA's done on your engine oil, and I will add them to the chart I made in this post for easy comparison. If it is an oil that is already in the chart, I will add your results to make a new average for that particular oil. I include as much of the following as possible from each UOA:
Brand and Weight
Mileage put on the sample in between oil changes
Any oil added during the interval
Trace elements
Sustained or Kinematic Viscosity
Total Base Number
Note: I tried not to use the UOA of any oil that is discontinued or modified. For example, the Mobil 1 tests in the charts are all the SuperSyn formula- the current one. No tests of the old TriSyn or SynLube were considered since they are out of production, although old stock can sometimes be found.
To read the charts I made:
The top part of the chart ( The Green Section) contains each oil brand and weight, the mileage on the oil, and any fresh oil added during the drain interval. This is important to look at when comparing oils, as an oil that had just 1,000 miles on it when tested will obviously fare better than an oil that had 9,000 miles on it when tested, even if it is not really a better oil.
The next part ( The Grey Section) of the charts contain the following trace elements in parts per million, and reflect the amount of wear or additives in the oil. Also included here are possible sources of wear when the readings are higher than the normal limits:
Silicon (Si) and
Aluminum (Al) 10 to 30 ppm Dirt ingestion
Iron (Fe) 100 to 200 ppm Wear of cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump, rust in system
Chromium (CR) 10 to 30 ppm Piston ring wear
Copper (CU) 10 to 50 ppm Bearings and bushings wear
Lead (Pb) 40 to 100 ppm Bearing corrosion or Extended oil change intervals
Copper (CU)
Lead (Pb)* 10 to 50 ppm Bearing lining wear
Aluminum (Al) 10 to 30 ppm Piston and piston thrust bearing wear
Silver 2 to 5 ppm
Tin 10 to 30 ppm Wear of bearings
Molybdenum & Boron: These are normal oil additives to reduce friction. Some oils like M1 and Redline are very robust with Molybdenum, others use less of it.
The last part ( The Red Section) of the charts has the Viscosity numbers and the Total Base Number (TBN). The viscosity numbers are from a very specific test to determine the viscosity of an oil at a given temperature, as measured in cSt (centistrokes). The viscosity of the oil at operating temperature is the last number of the oil weight in a multi-weight oil. As an example, 5W-30 has the viscosity of a 30 weight oil at a standard operating temperature of 100 deg C. The corresponding viscosity test number for a 30 weight oil is 9.3-12.9 at 100 deg C, or 58-65 at 212 deg F. The reason some numbers are in deg F and others are in deg C is because different labs do different tests. The tests results that have deg F are what is called the Sustained Viscosity. The test results that have deg C are what is called Kinematic Viscosity. The details aren't really important here. What is important is to look at the numbers and realize a higher number means a thicker oil at temperature. There is a list compiled in a following post that lists the manufacturer data for viscosity at certain temperatures. We can compare the UOA result to oil viscocity when it was new and see if it has thinned out at all from stock. The TBN is an indication of how much of the base stock was left in the oil to fight acids that build up as a result of oxidation and deterioration of index modifiers. It is a good indication, along with the viscosity numbers, of how much the oil had been sheared and broken down.
The chart is attached below, and it is a comparison of different brands and weights. The oil brands and weights in red are average results from several tests. The ones in black, are single tests. The combined average brands and weight are more accurate in the results than the single tests, especially compared to those that did not report the mileage on the oil. I am goig to update the comparison chart as I get new UOA's, and will start another one for oils that have been used in FI engines.
Finally, I am not a chemical engineer, petroleum engineer, or tribologist. I don't pretend to be the authority on engine oils. If I have made, and probably have made, any errors, please let me know and I will edit this as neccessary. I have tried to make things very simple to understand and read. If anyone wants to get more technical and in-depth then there is another site dedicated to that end, and I would like to give that credit where it is do. The simple explanations I have posted here are from that site; www.bobistheoilguy.com and I encourage everyone to visit it. The more data we get, the more trends we can start to see among weights and brands in the VQ.
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Last edited by Resolute : 04-13-2007 at 07:24 PM.
04-15-2007, 07:17 AM
#13
Another UOA from a G35 posted by Derek173 in this thread on Mobil 1:
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/253651-mobil-1-oil-users-motor-oil-discussion-thread.html
Thanks again for posting the UOA.
Also, I have posted the collective results of M1 and Amsoil samples taken. They are in the same format as the comparison chart posted above.
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https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/253651-mobil-1-oil-users-motor-oil-discussion-thread.html
Thanks again for posting the UOA.
Also, I have posted the collective results of M1 and Amsoil samples taken. They are in the same format as the comparison chart posted above.
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04-15-2007, 07:18 AM
#14
Last three post were quotes from the link below.
HERE is the LINK...LOL.. no need to waist server space...hahahha
MOBIL 1 Baby!
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/258663-vq-oil-analysis-and-info.html
MEAT AND POTATOES BELOW:
These are manufacturer's data for oil viscosity at 40 deg C, operating temp which is 100 deg C, and for some oils high temp which is 250 deg C. As you can see, some oils are thicker than others at each temperature. If someone wanted to find a good oil to try, then this is a great place to start. A 5W-30 should have a viscosity range of around 9.5 to 12.5 at 100 deg C. The higher the number, the thicker the oil is at that temp. Some of these oils are very think compared to ohers of the same grade. The HTHS number would be a good number for the F/I crowd to look at, as their oils would be subjected to higher temps. Also, if you do a UOA, then you can compare the viscocity rating on your analysis to the original specs to see just how well the oil held up. This list is alphabetized by brand name.
Amsoil ASL 5W-30 @40C 55.8 @100C 10.6 HTHS 3.09
Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 @40C 56.9 @100C 11.2 HTHS 3.4
Amsoil Series 3000 @40C 64.6 @100C 11.5 HTHS 3.5
Castrol GC 0W-30 @40C ? @100C 12? HTHS >3.6?
Castrol Syntec 5W-30 @40C ? @100C 9.7 HTHS ?
Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W-20 @40C 47 @100C 8.9 HTHS ?
Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W-30 @40C 59.9 @100C 10.6 HTHS ?
Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W-40 @40C 87.7 @100C 13.7 HTHS ?
Exxon Superflo 5W-20 @40°C 47.0 @100°C 8.3 HTHS ?
Exxon Superflo 5W-30 @40°C 62.0 @100°C 10.5 HTHS ?
Havoline Deposit Shield 5W-30 @40C 59.4 @100C 9.7 HTHS ?
Havoline High Mileage 5W-30 @40C 74.8 @100C 12 HTHS ?
Mobil 1 0W-30 @40C 63.1 @100C 11 HTHS 2.99
Mobil 1 0W-40 @40C 80 @100C 14.3 HTHS 3.6
Mobil 1 5W-20 @40C 48.3 @100C 8.8 HTHS 2.62
Mobil 1 5W-30 @40C 64.8 @100C 11.7 HTHS 3.09
Mobil 1 5W-30 EP @40C 61.0 @100C 11.0 HTHS 3.1
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 @40C 102 @100C 14.8 HTHS ?
Motorcraft 5W-20 @40ºC 49 @100ºC 8.8 HT/HS 2.65
Motorcraft 5W-30 @40ºC 66 @100ºC 11.1 HT/HS 3.2
Motul 300V Power 5W-40 @40C 80.8 @100C 13.8 HTHS 4.51
Motul 8100 E Tech Lite 0W-30 @40C 58.1 @100C 10.2 HTHS ?
Motul 8100 E Tech 0W-40 @40C 73.2 @100C 13.3 HTHS ?
Motul BMW Specific LL-01 5W-30 @40C 73 @100C 12 HTHS ?
Motul Chrono 300V 10W-40 @40C 89.5 @100C 14 HTHS 4.19
Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 @40C 59.7 @100C 10.5 HTHS 3.0
QuakerState Q Advanced 5W-20 @40C 46.51 @100C 8.68 HTHS 2.64
QuakerState Q Advanced 5W-30 @40C 58.5 @100C 10.53 HTHS 3.0
QuakerState Q Advanced 5W-50 @40C 109.5 @100C 18.7 HTHS 4.1
QuakerState Q European Formula 5W-40 @40C 90.5 @100C 14.5 HTHS 3.9
Quaker Q High RPM 5W-30 @40C 68.2 @100C 10.6 HTHS 3.1
Redline 5W-30 @40C 62.0 @100C 10.6 HTHS 3.8
Royal Purple 5W-20 @40C 49.5 @100C 8.7 HTHS ?
Royal Purple 5W-30 @40C 65.3 @100C ? 11 HTHS ?
Royal Purple 10W-30 @40C 70.3 @100C 10.7 HTHS ?
TropArctic Synthetic 5W-30 @40 60.00 @100 10.5 HTHS 3.0
Valvoline Maxlife 5W-30 @40C 62.31 @100C 10.61 HTHS ?
Valvoline Synpower 5W-20 @40 46.96 @100 8.65 HTHS ?
Valvoline Synpower 5W-30 @40 61.72 @100 10.9 HTHS ?
HERE is the LINK...LOL.. no need to waist server space...hahahha
MOBIL 1 Baby!
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/258663-vq-oil-analysis-and-info.html
MEAT AND POTATOES BELOW:
These are manufacturer's data for oil viscosity at 40 deg C, operating temp which is 100 deg C, and for some oils high temp which is 250 deg C. As you can see, some oils are thicker than others at each temperature. If someone wanted to find a good oil to try, then this is a great place to start. A 5W-30 should have a viscosity range of around 9.5 to 12.5 at 100 deg C. The higher the number, the thicker the oil is at that temp. Some of these oils are very think compared to ohers of the same grade. The HTHS number would be a good number for the F/I crowd to look at, as their oils would be subjected to higher temps. Also, if you do a UOA, then you can compare the viscocity rating on your analysis to the original specs to see just how well the oil held up. This list is alphabetized by brand name.
Amsoil ASL 5W-30 @40C 55.8 @100C 10.6 HTHS 3.09
Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30 @40C 56.9 @100C 11.2 HTHS 3.4
Amsoil Series 3000 @40C 64.6 @100C 11.5 HTHS 3.5
Castrol GC 0W-30 @40C ? @100C 12? HTHS >3.6?
Castrol Syntec 5W-30 @40C ? @100C 9.7 HTHS ?
Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W-20 @40C 47 @100C 8.9 HTHS ?
Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W-30 @40C 59.9 @100C 10.6 HTHS ?
Chevron Supreme synthetic 5W-40 @40C 87.7 @100C 13.7 HTHS ?
Exxon Superflo 5W-20 @40°C 47.0 @100°C 8.3 HTHS ?
Exxon Superflo 5W-30 @40°C 62.0 @100°C 10.5 HTHS ?
Havoline Deposit Shield 5W-30 @40C 59.4 @100C 9.7 HTHS ?
Havoline High Mileage 5W-30 @40C 74.8 @100C 12 HTHS ?
Mobil 1 0W-30 @40C 63.1 @100C 11 HTHS 2.99
Mobil 1 0W-40 @40C 80 @100C 14.3 HTHS 3.6
Mobil 1 5W-20 @40C 48.3 @100C 8.8 HTHS 2.62
Mobil 1 5W-30 @40C 64.8 @100C 11.7 HTHS 3.09
Mobil 1 5W-30 EP @40C 61.0 @100C 11.0 HTHS 3.1
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 @40C 102 @100C 14.8 HTHS ?
Motorcraft 5W-20 @40ºC 49 @100ºC 8.8 HT/HS 2.65
Motorcraft 5W-30 @40ºC 66 @100ºC 11.1 HT/HS 3.2
Motul 300V Power 5W-40 @40C 80.8 @100C 13.8 HTHS 4.51
Motul 8100 E Tech Lite 0W-30 @40C 58.1 @100C 10.2 HTHS ?
Motul 8100 E Tech 0W-40 @40C 73.2 @100C 13.3 HTHS ?
Motul BMW Specific LL-01 5W-30 @40C 73 @100C 12 HTHS ?
Motul Chrono 300V 10W-40 @40C 89.5 @100C 14 HTHS 4.19
Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 @40C 59.7 @100C 10.5 HTHS 3.0
QuakerState Q Advanced 5W-20 @40C 46.51 @100C 8.68 HTHS 2.64
QuakerState Q Advanced 5W-30 @40C 58.5 @100C 10.53 HTHS 3.0
QuakerState Q Advanced 5W-50 @40C 109.5 @100C 18.7 HTHS 4.1
QuakerState Q European Formula 5W-40 @40C 90.5 @100C 14.5 HTHS 3.9
Quaker Q High RPM 5W-30 @40C 68.2 @100C 10.6 HTHS 3.1
Redline 5W-30 @40C 62.0 @100C 10.6 HTHS 3.8
Royal Purple 5W-20 @40C 49.5 @100C 8.7 HTHS ?
Royal Purple 5W-30 @40C 65.3 @100C ? 11 HTHS ?
Royal Purple 10W-30 @40C 70.3 @100C 10.7 HTHS ?
TropArctic Synthetic 5W-30 @40 60.00 @100 10.5 HTHS 3.0
Valvoline Maxlife 5W-30 @40C 62.31 @100C 10.61 HTHS ?
Valvoline Synpower 5W-20 @40 46.96 @100 8.65 HTHS ?
Valvoline Synpower 5W-30 @40 61.72 @100 10.9 HTHS ?
Last edited by 4SHIZZIL; 04-15-2007 at 07:20 AM.
04-15-2007, 07:30 AM
#15
Well if you ever have oil consumption issues
Originally Posted by drivenCSZ
beat me to it
I would of had to eat it, even though I built F-15's for six years and worked on robots...., but because my azz is lazy for shizzil...I had documented records.
Just an FYI and my two cents.
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