hey guys, i smoked a m3
05-11-2003, 07:49 AM
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hey guys, i smoked a m3
I just smoked an M3 yesterday night an SMG M3 with 19's and a 225 pound guy in there. I took him first and then he wanted to drive my car, and then he also took me with my own car and i was driving his m3, that was a crazy race, hes surprised that my 40000 track took his 63000 M3.
05-11-2003, 08:09 AM
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That's complete bs. Sorry man.. I love the Z and all, but it does have it's limits. A SMG M3 runs mid 13's, even witha 225lb guy, thats maybe 40-50lbs more than you are? Sorry bud, but I have to use my "BS Card" on this one.
05-11-2003, 08:21 AM
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Re: hey guys, i smoked a m3
Originally posted by mohsinmomin
I just smoked an M3 yesterday night an SMG M3 with 19's and a 225 pound guy in there. I took him first and then he wanted to drive my car, and then he also took me with my own car and i was driving his m3, that was a crazy race,
I just smoked an M3 yesterday night an SMG M3 with 19's and a 225 pound guy in there. I took him first and then he wanted to drive my car, and then he also took me with my own car and i was driving his m3, that was a crazy race,
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05-11-2003, 10:14 AM
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Re: Re: hey guys, i smoked a m3
Originally posted by Evil350z
More so you got ripped if you paid $40k for a track edition.
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More so you got ripped if you paid $40k for a track edition.
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05-11-2003, 10:53 AM
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Guys, go back through the forum search, I'm pretty sure this guy said the same thing like a month or so ago. Yeah, unless you're squeezing, it's not going to happen. Oh it's too bad he's not around TX, b/c my friend has an M3, and I would love to prove him wrong here. Oh well.... silly people like this waste our forum space. Seriously, go read any number or car magazines if you want, and look at the 1/4 mile times for the M3 vs the 350z. As much as I love our car, a M3 it is not.
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05-11-2003, 01:14 PM
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go to a M3 forum
Some guy did 13.9's with his M3 its on m3forum.com, check it out, and road and track does 13.9's with a tourning with 350z's go ahead and race an M3....u'll have confindence in your Z then. That guy's M3 isn't broken in yet either, and he flooded his engine
05-11-2003, 01:55 PM
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Shut up. You're making yourself look even more stupid.
1) How old are you?
2) Driving an SMG doesn't exactly require skill, you don't even have to let off the throttle to shift!
3) I suppose you know he had flood damage because you talked after you "smoked" him huh?
4) 13.9 for a M3? Maybe if it was a normal manual, and he couldn't drive. Find me one 13.9 in a SMG.. hah.
5) Obviously you don't know much since you think that after you "break-in" the car, you get this magical boost of hp.. YOU DONT.
Some people on this site.....
1) How old are you?
2) Driving an SMG doesn't exactly require skill, you don't even have to let off the throttle to shift!
3) I suppose you know he had flood damage because you talked after you "smoked" him huh?
4) 13.9 for a M3? Maybe if it was a normal manual, and he couldn't drive. Find me one 13.9 in a SMG.. hah.
5) Obviously you don't know much since you think that after you "break-in" the car, you get this magical boost of hp.. YOU DONT.
Some people on this site.....
05-11-2003, 02:22 PM
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Why do you guys even care about 1/4 mile between different cars?
If you've seen the Best Mororing Vol 6 DVD that has a race between the 350, M3, S2000, and Boxster the 350 beat the M3 and all of them around a road course. The M3 was close but the S2000 was actully killing all of them under braking and cornering. The S2000 probably would have won but the GTR carmera car kept getting in the way.
If you've seen the Best Mororing Vol 6 DVD that has a race between the 350, M3, S2000, and Boxster the 350 beat the M3 and all of them around a road course. The M3 was close but the S2000 was actully killing all of them under braking and cornering. The S2000 probably would have won but the GTR carmera car kept getting in the way.
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again....why do you care about straight line speed? If you watch the video you'd see the Skyline GTR that was acting as the camera car easily blow by all of the test cars on the straight.
Why? Because it has more horse power. There's more to to life than just going straight...hell even Nascar makes an ocassional left turn.
Why? Because it has more horse power. There's more to to life than just going straight...hell even Nascar makes an ocassional left turn.
05-11-2003, 03:25 PM
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TheNige, i am talking relating "straight line accleration" to this specific thread because the guy was racing the m3 on the streets(straight line). The Z will beat the e46 in the corners, but the e46 will beat the Z in straight line accleration(street racing).
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and sorry guys $40k for a track model isnt outragious. I paid $37.5k for my touring,and if i had added the NAV it wouldve been 39.5k..........and its not out of the realm of possiblity to beta an M3, we have much more torque, having been to a road course and driven with the e36 M3 guess, even they said we would/could and did outrun them. Cut the guy some slack
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Hmmm two things:
1) here in P.R. the Base Models starts in $42,000 and the Track Models in $ 52,000 (Damn State Taxes) (NO control of prices)
2) I beat 3 E46 M3 already, rolling at 40 mph with only soft Mod.(Sig) but thats me.
1) here in P.R. the Base Models starts in $42,000 and the Track Models in $ 52,000 (Damn State Taxes) (NO control of prices)
2) I beat 3 E46 M3 already, rolling at 40 mph with only soft Mod.(Sig) but thats me.
05-12-2003, 11:20 AM
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This thread is a joke.
Unless you aren't telling the truth....a $63K M3 could only be a convertible with SMG, NAV and all the options. It would weigh about 3700 lbs+ and I still don't think a 350Z would pull him in gear. You said SMG... that means there are no "bad drivers" as you dont' even have to shift. It acts as an automatic without a clutch and all you have to do is hold the gas down. Even a convertible can trap at 105 which is significantly faster than ANY (stock) 350Z I have seen. Also, how long was the race? Did you start from a dig?
Some of you guys look at the 1/4 times when you should look more at the trap speeds. A 1-2 mph trap speed difference is pretty big and the best I have seen for a 350 Z is right at 100 or 101 mph.... where as I have seen M3s that trap at 108. (Yes, I have proof of a 2001 M3 6 speed doing a 12.74 @ 108 mph in the 1/4 mile). The trap speeds will tell you more about who will pull on who in a race that goes north of 100 mph.........
Eric1H- Yeah, the 350z has what 5 ft/lbs more torque than the M3?!? Which doesn't really translate to much of an advantage. Odd that you failed to mention the HUGE hp dissadvantage.... But, the M3 has a sizable hp advantage.... 333 hp vs 287 for the 350Z which is significant when you look at cars that are close in weight.
The Nige, dude... that was ONE race on a smallish track just because a Pro 350Z driver beat another Japanese Pro on a BMW ...... it really doesn't say much as they chose the track that would give the 350Z an advantage..... and remember .... it IS JAPANESE MOTORING not BMW motoring.... there is a little bias there. I saw the one with the M3 battling the new EVO and the M3 drivers SUCKED! The one guy spun the M3 and they only raced for 6 laps against some Ferrari 360s.
The tracks are very small with short straights. Thus, a dissadvantage for the M3. I am not one of these guys that claim the M3 is the best car out there.... FAR FROM IT!!! But, I do want to educate some that seem to have little knowledge outside of the 350Z board.
Funny you didn't mention the Nurburgring track.... What are the times for some of the Japanese cars there??? FWIW, the M3 is faster than the stock Acura NSX.... E46M3- 8.22.051 vs NSX 8.41.222 I think it is also faster than the R34 Skyline GT-R. Has the 350Z even ran it officially?
I wouldn't buy too much into what one magazine or tv show posts as the "best car" as you would be hard to duplicate any of their times and you can always choose a track that highlights one cars advantage/dissadvantage.
In the end, it really doesn't matter. The biggest difference in racing on a track is the guy behind the wheel. The 350Z and M3 are excellent cars and competitors. Frankly, I think the new 350Z is one of the best looking cars out there..... and the Z4 is one of the WORST!! If Nissan decides to put an SC or turbos on the car from the factory.... It will probably be my next car...... No flames intended.....
Unless you aren't telling the truth....a $63K M3 could only be a convertible with SMG, NAV and all the options. It would weigh about 3700 lbs+ and I still don't think a 350Z would pull him in gear. You said SMG... that means there are no "bad drivers" as you dont' even have to shift. It acts as an automatic without a clutch and all you have to do is hold the gas down. Even a convertible can trap at 105 which is significantly faster than ANY (stock) 350Z I have seen. Also, how long was the race? Did you start from a dig?
Some of you guys look at the 1/4 times when you should look more at the trap speeds. A 1-2 mph trap speed difference is pretty big and the best I have seen for a 350 Z is right at 100 or 101 mph.... where as I have seen M3s that trap at 108. (Yes, I have proof of a 2001 M3 6 speed doing a 12.74 @ 108 mph in the 1/4 mile). The trap speeds will tell you more about who will pull on who in a race that goes north of 100 mph.........
Eric1H- Yeah, the 350z has what 5 ft/lbs more torque than the M3?!? Which doesn't really translate to much of an advantage. Odd that you failed to mention the HUGE hp dissadvantage.... But, the M3 has a sizable hp advantage.... 333 hp vs 287 for the 350Z which is significant when you look at cars that are close in weight.
The Nige, dude... that was ONE race on a smallish track just because a Pro 350Z driver beat another Japanese Pro on a BMW ...... it really doesn't say much as they chose the track that would give the 350Z an advantage..... and remember .... it IS JAPANESE MOTORING not BMW motoring.... there is a little bias there. I saw the one with the M3 battling the new EVO and the M3 drivers SUCKED! The one guy spun the M3 and they only raced for 6 laps against some Ferrari 360s.
The tracks are very small with short straights. Thus, a dissadvantage for the M3. I am not one of these guys that claim the M3 is the best car out there.... FAR FROM IT!!! But, I do want to educate some that seem to have little knowledge outside of the 350Z board.
Funny you didn't mention the Nurburgring track.... What are the times for some of the Japanese cars there??? FWIW, the M3 is faster than the stock Acura NSX.... E46M3- 8.22.051 vs NSX 8.41.222 I think it is also faster than the R34 Skyline GT-R. Has the 350Z even ran it officially?
I wouldn't buy too much into what one magazine or tv show posts as the "best car" as you would be hard to duplicate any of their times and you can always choose a track that highlights one cars advantage/dissadvantage.
In the end, it really doesn't matter. The biggest difference in racing on a track is the guy behind the wheel. The 350Z and M3 are excellent cars and competitors. Frankly, I think the new 350Z is one of the best looking cars out there..... and the Z4 is one of the WORST!! If Nissan decides to put an SC or turbos on the car from the factory.... It will probably be my next car...... No flames intended.....
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Originally posted by LonghornE46M3
Eric1H- Yeah, the 350z has what 5 ft/lbs more torque than the M3?!? Which doesn't really translate to much of an advantage. Odd that you failed to mention the HUGE hp dissadvantage.... But, the M3 has a sizable hp advantage.... 333 hp vs 287 for the 350Z which is significant when you look at cars that are close in weight.
Eric1H- Yeah, the 350z has what 5 ft/lbs more torque than the M3?!? Which doesn't really translate to much of an advantage. Odd that you failed to mention the HUGE hp dissadvantage.... But, the M3 has a sizable hp advantage.... 333 hp vs 287 for the 350Z which is significant when you look at cars that are close in weight.
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Eric1H,
I think I wasn't clear enough or you may have mis read my post.....
The original poster was claiming that the M3 he raced was $63K. I was calling BS on that fact unless it was a convertible loaded with all the heavy parts you can find......which would certainly make it slower.... but, he didn't mention that fact.
Mine was $53K with everything but Nav, SMG and 19"s. I merely stated the weight of a loaded CONVERTIBLE. Not a Coupe.
My E46M3 6 speed coupe weighs 3415 lbs stock. What does a 350Z weigh? I thought they were around 3300-3400 lbs?? So, yes... the weight diff is insignificant.
FWIW, I have some track time as well.
While you were referencing the E36M3, I beleive the entire thread was about an SMG M3 (MY 2001+). (Technically they did make Version 1 SMG E36 M3s but they were in Europe only)
I don't think most BMW drivers think the M3 will "crush the 350Z" But, in a straighline race going to say 140 mph, I don't think it will be very close unless the M3 driver misses every shift....
The shorter the race, the less of an adavantage that the M3 would have....
As to the price difference/cost/quality... that is all relative.........so I personally wouldn't even begin to comment..... to each his own.
I think I wasn't clear enough or you may have mis read my post.....
The original poster was claiming that the M3 he raced was $63K. I was calling BS on that fact unless it was a convertible loaded with all the heavy parts you can find......which would certainly make it slower.... but, he didn't mention that fact.
Mine was $53K with everything but Nav, SMG and 19"s. I merely stated the weight of a loaded CONVERTIBLE. Not a Coupe.
My E46M3 6 speed coupe weighs 3415 lbs stock. What does a 350Z weigh? I thought they were around 3300-3400 lbs?? So, yes... the weight diff is insignificant.
FWIW, I have some track time as well.
While you were referencing the E36M3, I beleive the entire thread was about an SMG M3 (MY 2001+). (Technically they did make Version 1 SMG E36 M3s but they were in Europe only)
I don't think most BMW drivers think the M3 will "crush the 350Z" But, in a straighline race going to say 140 mph, I don't think it will be very close unless the M3 driver misses every shift....
The shorter the race, the less of an adavantage that the M3 would have....
As to the price difference/cost/quality... that is all relative.........so I personally wouldn't even begin to comment..... to each his own.
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Originally posted by LonghornE46M3
My E46M3 6 speed coupe weighs 3415 lbs stock. What does a 350Z weigh? I thought they were around 3300-3400 lbs?? So, yes... the weight diff is insignificant.
My E46M3 6 speed coupe weighs 3415 lbs stock. What does a 350Z weigh? I thought they were around 3300-3400 lbs?? So, yes... the weight diff is insignificant.
