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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:00 PM
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Gabe, please give details about this plan for a stroker kit!!!! Your build just keeps getting better and better!!!
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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yeah......spill the beans gabe.
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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How many miles do you have on you car?

Valve springs don't last forever.

You might be better off replacing the springs if you plan on turning the engine a lot. If you're replacing them, you might as well go with what is recommended for the cams you buy.


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Car just hit 50K. My real intention is drifting.

Unfortunately, I love the handle of the car too much to buy a cheap 240sx for the weekends.

I plan on having the Z for another 3-4 years or 100K-110K miles, parting out, and selling stock.

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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotorsedan
Gabe, please give details about this plan for a stroker kit!!!! Your build just keeps getting better and better!!!
Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz
yeah......spill the beans gabe.
Don't want to let the cat out of the bag even before it's even in the bag, but this is the two main components I'm eying.
-BC 86.4mm stroke x 96mm bore bRod stroker kit with 10CR
-Nismo high compression competition head spec2

Displacement should be around 3.8-3.9L and total CR should be around 11.7CR.

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gabe3d
Don't want to let the cat out of the bag even before it's even in the bag, but this is the two main components I'm eying.
-BC 86.4mm stroke x 96mm bore bRod stroker kit with 10CR
-Nismo high compression competition head spec2

Displacement should be around 3.8-3.9L and total CR should be around 11.7CR.
Does the BC kit require sleeves? I will have to look into that kit. I don't think sleeves would be worth the hassle or probable issues, especially on a DD car.

Any reason for getting the Nismo heads instead of reworking your old ones? If you want to be more detailed(without letting the cat out) you can PM me, I'm very interested in the outcome and you plans
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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a 3.9 vq would feel fawking nice.. GL with the build keep us posted for sure, lmk if you decide to sell your old cams, I thought you mentioned somewhere that you where gonna switch them out.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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Just read off of BCs website, that sleeves are required for a 3.8L or larger. So I think you should be fine non-sleeved at 3.8L, unless your plans are too go bigger!! What are your goals for this monster?
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by allmotorsedan
Just read off of BCs website, that sleeves are required for a 3.8L or larger. So I think you should be fine non-sleeved at 3.8L, unless your plans are too go bigger!! What are your goals for this monster?
Yeah no sleeves needed if I stay under 100mm bore. I believe the max is 98mm. Still not 100% as to what I want to get but a stroker is probably a certainty at this point.

My gaols are simple...to be faster then Adam. No I am just kidding . Honestly there really isn't any real number goals other then the fun that comes out of researching. Also wanted to do something a little different since it'll involve a little more tinkering and I am sure there are quite a few out there that would love to see what an NA stroker can do. I am going to take one for team NA!
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gabe3d
Yeah no sleeves needed if I stay under 100mm bore. I believe the max is 98mm. Still not 100% as to what I want to get but a stroker is probably a certainty at this point.

My gaols are simple...to be faster then Adam. No I am just kidding . Honestly there really isn't any real number goals other then the fun that comes out of researching. Also wanted to do something a little different since it'll involve a little more tinkering and I am sure there are quite a few out there that would love to see what an NA stroker can do. I am going to take one for team NA!
Hell yeah!!! I'm def. a big fan waiting for the outcome! I think you should make yours faster than Adams!! . Lol.

Without a doubt, I'm sure it will be a lot of fun. Did you have your lsd and gears installed yet, or not until you get back?
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 05:38 AM
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Hell yeah!!! I'm def. a big fan waiting for the outcome! I think you should make yours faster than Adams!! . Lol.

Without a doubt, I'm sure it will be a lot of fun. Did you have your lsd and gears installed yet, or not until you get back?
But in all honesty though. Adam is a great guy to talk to and one of the few vendors that knows our engine and willing to talk to us. Thumbs up for Z1!!!

My car has the new rear end in but it has been sitting at the shop since I've been in korea for the past week and a half. I can't wait to drive it.

Haven't installed the new intake setup yet either, but might do that when I get everything else. Unless if the price isn't too high to retune, then I'll get it done to benefit those who are planning to get them.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 06:18 AM
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This thing becoming real N/A z. Good luck gabe, keep my eyes on.
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Yes, Adam is a very awesome!! He's answered all questions just about as soon as I send them. He's very quick with responding and being honest about somthing he doesn't know about. Thanks Adam!!!

Gabe, Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the 4.08 gear... Its something I'm looking to install next year. Your car is definately awesome

Does anyone know where I can find a website for calculating comp. ratio and displacement? IE honda/acura owners use www.c-speedracing.com to get an estimate of disp and CR using different variables for pistons, milling, thinner headgaskets, etc...

I just wanna do some number crunching to guestimate a well rounded set-up for my car... Or I will just copy off of Gabe ...
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Hey Gabe, I did alittle searching, you can get a 96mm bore with the 88mm stroker kit, your disp. will be 3.823L. The stock bore is 95.5mm and stroke is 81.4mm. So you would certainly gain torque with that set-up witout getting sleeves.

You could even get a 96.5mm bore with 86.4mm stroke and be around 3.973L. I dont think you could go wrong either way Im not trying to make that decision for you , maybe I am, cuz its something Im going to get done eventually. LOL

Anyway, keep us updated.... I know youare a very busy guy!!!
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by allmotorsedan
Hey Gabe, I did alittle searching, you can get a 96mm bore with the 88mm stroker kit, your disp. will be 3.823L. The stock bore is 95.5mm and stroke is 81.4mm. So you would certainly gain torque with that set-up witout getting sleeves.

You could even get a 96.5mm bore with 86.4mm stroke and be around 3.973L. I dont think you could go wrong either way Im not trying to make that decision for you , maybe I am, cuz its something Im going to get done eventually. LOL

Anyway, keep us updated.... I know you are a very busy guy!!!
Yeah, I just found out that BC actually still offered the 88mm kit. I initially thought it was discontinued and that it may have some clearance issue but the 86.4mm one will also need some block machining. The only benefit of going with the 86.4mm is the preservation of the stock rod length and availability, which is a moot point anyways since I am going to get the kit and there is no rush to get this done.

I'll keep you updated!
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 06:19 AM
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By block machining, you mean block notching so that the rods don't hit the inside of the block? Do you get to keep your oil squirters? I figured if you do get the 86.4mm kit, using stock length rods, you wouldn't need to notch anything.

The BC kits are about 30-40% cheaper than their JDM counterparts, but they are still high quality. And I have not heard any problems with them. Plus they have been around for a long time, so I don't expect any problems with the kit.

That's good you are not in a rush. Doing that can lead to forgeting the important parts, or not doing things the right way 1st time round. Cutting corners is not the right way to engine builds at all and could lead to catastrophic(sp?) disaster

Glad things are going great and you are doing your RESEARCH 1st, as not many people do that.
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 01:44 AM
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Yeah, it does come with a velocity stack. However i just did some fitment test comparing it to the JWT popcharger and its' only...1mm bigger in diameter It's significantly smaller, also it's a lot lighter since the velocity stack is not made of aluminum (which makes it easier to port out i guess). Pic below is with the 3" MAF on top of it, you can see the area where the APEXI is smaller, also to the left is the JWT. Probably not worth it if you have the JWT already...

Bro, can you tell me where you got the APEX'i Intake, Samco intake Tube, and MAF?
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Old Sep 4, 2009 | 06:24 AM
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Bro, can you tell me where you got the APEX'i Intake, Samco intake Tube, and MAF?
All those parts were purchased from www.z1auto.com (give Adam a call or send him an IM/PM). They are the only one that makes and carry the 3" MAF. Don't know the benefit yet since I have yet to install, but it seems like a few people have had good success with it.
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Originally Posted by allmotorsedan
By block machining, you mean block notching so that the rods don't hit the inside of the block? Do you get to keep your oil squirters? I figured if you do get the 86.4mm kit, using stock length rods, you wouldn't need to notch anything.

The BC kits are about 30-40% cheaper than their JDM counterparts, but they are still high quality. And I have not heard any problems with them. Plus they have been around for a long time, so I don't expect any problems with the kit.

That's good you are not in a rush. Doing that can lead to forgeting the important parts, or not doing things the right way 1st time round. Cutting corners is not the right way to engine builds at all and could lead to catastrophic(sp?) disaster

Glad things are going great and you are doing your RESEARCH 1st, as not many people do that.
None of the kits will have any rod problem since they come with special pistons that have the rod bolt location pushed in. But my machining, I meant to stay that some work outside of the cylinder needs to be done for both the 86.4mm and 88mm kit. I asked BC for more details as to what is involved but they still haven't responded yet.

I'd get the 88mm but Adam@Z1 called them for me and the lead time is 3-4months!
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Have you got back yet Gabe???
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Have you got back yet Gabe???
Nope, not yet. I'm catching my flight to return home tomorrow in 15 hours
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