mgrotel

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oh, but there is always plenty of that, ha

mgrotel

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ok, good to know. forget the stroker kit then. maybe a mildly cammed high rev build would be for me then. i know cam selection is crucial

Z1 Performance

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I'll repeat what I said above. Unless you have unlimited funds and time at your disposal...stop chasing numbers. I can't tell you what you should set as your goal...your goal is up to you. Your goal will be realized, by many factors, not the least of which is your budget. The budget doesn't seem to be something you've realistically thought about until 19 posts in. Builds that actually come to fruition generally start off one of 2 ways. They either start with a specific purpose in mind, and money and/or time be damned, they aim for that target. Or they start with a budget in mind and they shoot for whatever can be accomplished with a set amount of funds. More often than not, the journey starts off with threads just like this, and end up going absolutely nowhere, for a variety of reasons. Can an NA build be done with $8000? Sure...just depends on what your expectations are with that budget in mind, and who does all the various work involved, from machining, to install, to tuning. I can't answer what you should expect, because none of the variables have been clearly defined. The best advice I can give you is that you have ALOT of research to do on several different fronts.

And yes, the exhaust will be a major bottleneck.

mgrotel

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thank you

whats the advantage of L19 head bolts over the regular head bolt kit?

mgrotel

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$1050 Wiseco piston/Eagle rod kit
$150 ARP Rod bolts
$400 ARP Main/Head stud kit
$180 Metal head gasket
$450 Crower High rev springs/retainers
$1200 Crower Cams 272/272 .459"/.459"
$1000 Exhaust system
$200 bearings
$460 Crower in/exh +1 valves

what am i missing besides headwork, block clearancing, and a tune? i will R^2 the engine myself
as far as tuning goes, i have a utec, if i need to sell that to get an osrisis tune then i can but that will about even out. have most people been replacing there radiator as well? i would probably replace mine unless i am told that its unecessary

Z1 Performance

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none for what you're doing

items off the top of my head that are missing:

full engine gasket kit, thermostat, water pump, tensioners for accessory belts (your call, I replaced all mine when I did my motor, to ensure everything was in new condition - I wouldn't build a motor without doing it), new drive belts, misc cash for stuff that may break while you're removing pieces from your donor engine, spark plugs, headers, cats/test pipes, wideband 02

headwork will vary widely in cost - can easily be $2000 +, depends on what you're doing and how far you want to go, and most importantly, who is doing it

balancing, machining costs - ask your engine builder for what he charges or farms it out to

as you can see, you can eat up $8000 without blinking an eye

mgrotel

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ok, some of those i already have that came with the spare block, its a full engine with all accessories:
water pump
tstat
tensioners

but i def understand what you mean by going new while its all open, and more than likely i will. recommend going with a colder tstat?

belts and plugs are not that expensive and i can just throw those types of things into a misc category.

i already have an lc1 wideband, kenetix hfc with a bung in each of them, upper plen work, mrev2 (even though its a non revup), motodyne 5/16 spacer

still needed
radiator
gasket set
new coolant hoses
revup oil pump (needed?)

stock fuel pump and injectors should be sufficient correct?
i realize the headwork is important, but for what im doing i probably dont need it to be too crazy, right? are there decent affordable after market heads available or is working these the best option?

sorry, i put a lot of questions in there but i appreciate the help

mgrotel

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oh, and i forgot to say that i wont need cash for broken parts during disassembly because its already in about 500 pieces in the corner of my garage

Z1 Performance

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you're going to put all this money into a motor and reuse an old water pump? reuse belts? tensioners I could see possibly, if they are 100% noise free. Mine had ~40k miles, some were getting noisy, so I replaced them all to make sure I was starting with a 100% new engine top to bottom. YMMV

Yes you need a revup oil pump. You do not need a colder thermostat

Fuel system - at sea level it is sufficient, where you are, it's anyones guess. Head work makes or breaks an NA setup...that is where the power is made.

3hree5ive0ero

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This.

Reading the entire thread, I think most of us came to the conclusion that you've still got a long ways to go

BTW, I keep reading that you're dismissing "misc" costs, but that adds up real quick, especially if your budget is only $8K. You also seem to be cutting corners but if you have to replace them down the line, it may end up costing you more.

mgrotel

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oh how i wished i lived at sea level

mgrotel

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im not dismissing misc items, just grouping them altogether in one category. plus, as we all know, big projects like this always cost at least 30% more than initially expected so i will factor that in as well

and z1, i said i would likely replace the water pump, tensionser, etc. with new ones. are the stock timing chains ok or do i need stronger/double roller? the stock ones are tiny, ugh

mgrotel

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stock crank ok?
will likely shoot some nitrous in this thing every once in a while

mgrotel

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wow, my head is spinning. i dont suppose you guys know of some specific threads with good info in them do you? searching is hit and miss and if i had a list of good threads to start with it would help. if not ill just keep reading, but thought it was worth a shot to ask to save some time

tuko316

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Scroll down in this section. There is a couple great build threads.

Look in Adams (z1) sig for the link to his build.

Z1 Performance

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there are no aftermarket chains that I have ever seen, nor could I see any being of any use, as stock ones have gone over 1000whp

tuko316

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Scroll down in this section. There is a couple great build threads.

Look in Adams (z1) sig for the link to his build.

mgrotel

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i think i kinda like the hks catback

Z1 Performance

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So you've gone from a stock exhaust, because you don't want something loud, to one of the loudest exhausts out there? This thread is an exercise in contradictions

mgrotel

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i know, im terrible about exhaust sounds. i dont like inbetween. i would prefer a quiet/mellow sound, but if i must get headers and an exhaust system, which as i read post after post, it seems like i will need both, i would like a loud, exotic sound over something just loud and inbetween. i know that sounds odd and doesnt make sense but thats just what my ears tell me. idk what else to say, ill just deal with the exhaust issue later down the road i suppose

as i type, i am currently on page 20 something of Z1's build thread, i think post 440 or so, and that is quite the build. i read over jb's and am curious for an update on that and what was causing his issues. long term reliabiliy is at the top of my list, in fact, its the main reason im staying away from FI. i read a couple of other build threads too but the owners' names escaped my mind for the moment. i will likely have some more specific questions about what i am reading later on, but i will probably start a build thread later down the road when i feel more comfortable about how much i know.

thanks for the help thus far

edit: where else did i contradict myself? how about we all get along instead of the constant knocks at me?