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Deciding to finally retire my 2014 Toyota 86 that I bought brand new for something with bigger displacement.

Obviously a Z is on my radar and the 370Z would already be a big step up from the 86, but if you were in my position, would you still go for the 370Z or get the new one?

My main concern is that the 370Z might not feel like an actual upgrade when factoring the entire package (features, tech, etc.).
Does anyone here feel the 370Z has aged enough to move on sometime soon?

A major upside would of course be price. You can find them cheap enough and deprecation shouldn't be much of a concern.

BTW Nissan is accepting reservations and the order guide is finally out.

Thanks in advance for your input.

dkmura

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Welcome- you'll have to decide if the wait, increased price and unknown reliability of the Z34B is worth it. Of course, you'll get new car with the cache of a new design, turbo power and updated ergonomics (including electronics) with the new Z. Some of us have elected to keep our Z33/34s and wait to see how the new Z turns out. Good luck!

Ponyryd

It really depends what you want and what kind of person you are. If you want to have a proven, reliable vehicle with huge aftermarket support, go 370, but if you want to have people looking at your car constantly, asking about it, etc…and are not worried about the extra cost, go new Z.
Personally, I’d go 370, I’m cheap, laid-back, and I love how they look with the right suspension and wheels.

bealljk

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What do you want out of your next sports car / a Z car?

Do you want to upgrade it? Tune it? Tinker with it? And how mechanically inclined are you? Or do you want a car that you’ll never touch and its fast enough from the factory?

How much money do you have to spend on this?

Youre in New York? Do you have another vehicle to drive during bad weather?

DarkZ03

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IMHO if you are considering the new Z that means you have $40k+ to spend. If I wanted a sports car for that price I'd probably go Vette or a used German car.
if you already have a FRS why not consider the new one?
For $30k you can have a car that's light and fun with a 0-60 in 6 sec. that's not far off the 370z and if that's not enough you can easily do a turbo or supercharger on top and have a capable car for under the price of the new Z.

bealljk

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I would say the potential of a 370z is going to be the pinnacle for the Z car engine performance. Especially if you are limited to keeping the engine stock/untouched. Does the Z car ever go hybrid? Or fully electric? Maybe…

I dont think were going to see horsepower / torque numbers out of the 3.0liter twin turbo VR that we are seeing out the 3.7liter VHR single turbo.

I dont think I’d ever be fully satisfied with a FRS/BRZ tbh - so I can see why people jump to the Z33/Z34 platforms. I saw a few reviews of the new FRS/BRZ and it was a let down … nothing really to get excited about.

travlee

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american v8 for miles of smiles

travlee

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luckily i bought before the used car market shot up

for reference i bought this vette with 18k miles, long tubes, cam, ,intake and exhaust for $44k

DarkZ03

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That's a bit of an unfair assessment, if the single is sized appropriately then it'll have better HP but I don't think that engine in stock trim is better than the VR30 and I think most Q guys would agree. For normal people power levels (you aren't running slicks everyday) I'd say the VR30 will be much better.

bealljk

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Apples to oranges if nothing more … in stock form 37VHR to VR30 I would agree with you. I think the VHR shines in stock form with an added turbo/tune vs. a stock/stock VR30 with stock turbos/stock tune.

We’re seeing VHRs putting down 700hp to 800hp on e85, turbo’d, on a 6mt. I dont think a stock/stock VR30 twin turbo (with a tune) is going to reach these numbers. How many VG30TT are hitting 800hp on a stock block/stock internals/stock turbos/tuned?

I think the adage of single for bigger power and slower spool-up speeds and twins for faster spool-up/quicker response and optimized torque is ‘relatively’ going-by-the wayside (as single turbos are getting/have been/are better than they used to be.

I think OEM twin turbos bring this back to life … my experience with OEM twins are that they fall on their faces at high revs and OEMs are not too concerned with horsepower as much and more concerned with peak torque.

MicVelo

Supercharged German V8 for even more miles of smiles.

Fight! Fight!

Nahhhh, I've seen Trav. He'd for sure kick my a$$ to the moon. Even if his car can't.......

Fight! Fight!

HAR!

MicVelo

OK, seriously (as I can be on a Friday...), the decision all depends on what was said above - all of the points made re: mod vs non-mod, drive as is, etc. If you want new with adequate performance, go Z34-Part 2 (the new Z). But if you plan on tweaking for power/handling, a big aftermarket already exists to build a kickbutt Z34 (370Z). As the previous owner of a Z34N, the 350 net ponies of the Nismo is pretty good and a big step up from an FRS/BRZ/86 but there's room for more power after adjusting the handling performance, which is good but can be improved.

Realistically, would wait to drive the new Z34-Part 2 before making the decision. You should go drive the 370Z-Sport now to make a comparison. (Emphasis on the Sport version as it already has the bigger brakes, wheel set, and SynchroRev-which works surprisingly well in making the driver look like s/he knows what they're doing-LAFF...) THEN decide.

travlee

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I wouldn't want go to jail for elderly abuse.....

travlee

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But mic is a trooper

DarkZ03

iTrader: (11)

I agree with you on the factory twins, but that's a problem with ANY factory FI car, the turbos are too small. I see that every day with my GTI lol.
From my limited knowledge the Q guys are swapping turbos for more power, but that will be the case with 99% of cars. The VQ37 will have a slight advantage due to displacement obviously but the VVEL does have issues from what I've heard. The new Z will need turbos to match a boosted VQ37 but it only has 67hp on top out of the box so it's better compared to a FBO NA VQ37.
Main reason i think its better for the average Joe is if bolt-ons is your thing and you don't want to deal with boosting a car the new Z will be ahead of the 370z.

bealljk

iTrader: (13)

100% Dark - Yea, OEM I think are more concerned with peak torque … I think they almost undersize the turbos so drivers are discouraged from red-lining the engine and causing excessive wear that may (or may not) be covered under warranty.

Same with the F150 ecoboost - swapping turbos and making more power

and of course there are flipsides to any changes you make to an engine/turbo setup - no free lunches!

Solid point about FBO guys wanting to add power without getting into the black hole of turbos/fueling/tuning/etc -

I appreciate the discussion …

I also appreciate that nissan is pushing the envelope on engine technology … 300zx (3 liter twins) was making 300hp / 283ft-lbs where the new 3liter tt is making 400hp / 350ft-lbs

DarkZ03

iTrader: (11)

Yeah I'm always down for a good chat, I'm more concerned about longevity with these newer engines, the tech and power delivery are great but one thing the GTI and new Z have in common is the stupid integrated manifolds. I get the benefits but I also know how hot turbos get, I don't want them bolted to an aluminum head or iron for that matter. DI comes with it's own batch of issues as well, in that sense I trust PI engines with an add on turbo more but you have to be willing to go through the process.

joelle king

370z for me

Aeneas137

If I had a stressful job and a long commute and a wife who would only "allow" me to have one car, I would get the new Z as my DD. I think for 50k this is the market Nissan is going for. for me, wrenching is just as much fun as driving, so I I'm attracted to legendary cars with a strong aftermarket. I'll pick up a 370Z sport in a year or so since my z33 now has become the de facto track beast of my household and I'm probably just in denial about it's streetability now.