TSD day rally this Sunday 6/7, MtKisco NY, $20 per car
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TSD day rally this Sunday 6/7, MtKisco NY, $20 per car
http://wscc.org/flyers/2009SunDayFlyer.pdf
TimeSpeedDistance DAY rally on Sunday, 6/7/09 in MtKisco NY. Registration from 11 to 12:15, drivers meeting at 12:30, first car off at 1pm. Cars leave in 1 minute invtervals from your car number, so first come first start. Should be about 2-4 hours (usually 3ish). You need TWO people (driver and navigator), and $20 per car ($10 each). Recommended: a pen, something to write on on the nav's lap (like a clipboard), a basic calculator (or a nav who likes math), and a watch/clock with seconds that you can easily reset to the rallymaster's time. Trophys for the winners of each class.
What is it? A TimeSpeedDistance (TSD) rally has an "average speed" that you should follow through the rally. Its set BELOW the speed limit. The rally instructions are very tricky and you're looking for stuff at night (ie: make 3rd left after the word "STRINGS", or make second acute right, etc) so you're going to make a few bad turns. After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.
So questions like "is this illegal" or "dude this is awesome I'm gona go 175mph" or "wont we all get arrested" are silly since thats not what the rally is about. Some people do it in minivans with their kids in the backseat helping look for turns. If you make a wrong turn or get lost, its up to you if you choose you catch up slowly and safely and risk hitting a checkpoint and getting lots of points, or if you drive like an *** and risk getting pulled over by a cop or taking risks so you can make up time as quickly as possible and get a better score. There will be mostly twisty hilly backroads where you probably will never see a cop, but they are also public roads and you take any risks on your own. I can guaranty you will enjoy them a lot more in a sports car "taking a few risks" than a minivan full of kids tho. Some people will choose to have a nice ride down some twisty windy backroads in the dark, some people will get way lost and come into checkpoints late and gets lots of points, and some people will choose to drive in a manner to make up time each time they get lost and have a blast down some twicked roads. Its all up to the drivers. The roads are awesome and usually including some dirt and gravel roads, but nothing a lowered car couldn’t handle.
TimeSpeedDistance DAY rally on Sunday, 6/7/09 in MtKisco NY. Registration from 11 to 12:15, drivers meeting at 12:30, first car off at 1pm. Cars leave in 1 minute invtervals from your car number, so first come first start. Should be about 2-4 hours (usually 3ish). You need TWO people (driver and navigator), and $20 per car ($10 each). Recommended: a pen, something to write on on the nav's lap (like a clipboard), a basic calculator (or a nav who likes math), and a watch/clock with seconds that you can easily reset to the rallymaster's time. Trophys for the winners of each class.
What is it? A TimeSpeedDistance (TSD) rally has an "average speed" that you should follow through the rally. Its set BELOW the speed limit. The rally instructions are very tricky and you're looking for stuff at night (ie: make 3rd left after the word "STRINGS", or make second acute right, etc) so you're going to make a few bad turns. After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.
So questions like "is this illegal" or "dude this is awesome I'm gona go 175mph" or "wont we all get arrested" are silly since thats not what the rally is about. Some people do it in minivans with their kids in the backseat helping look for turns. If you make a wrong turn or get lost, its up to you if you choose you catch up slowly and safely and risk hitting a checkpoint and getting lots of points, or if you drive like an *** and risk getting pulled over by a cop or taking risks so you can make up time as quickly as possible and get a better score. There will be mostly twisty hilly backroads where you probably will never see a cop, but they are also public roads and you take any risks on your own. I can guaranty you will enjoy them a lot more in a sports car "taking a few risks" than a minivan full of kids tho. Some people will choose to have a nice ride down some twisty windy backroads in the dark, some people will get way lost and come into checkpoints late and gets lots of points, and some people will choose to drive in a manner to make up time each time they get lost and have a blast down some twicked roads. Its all up to the drivers. The roads are awesome and usually including some dirt and gravel roads, but nothing a lowered car couldn’t handle.
http://wscc.org/flyers/2009SunDayFlyer.pdf
After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.
After you figure out you're in the wrong place you have to backtrack to the correct turn without getting lost, then speed up to get back to your "average speed" (where you would be if you didnt get lost). There are hidden signs along the course you need to mark down, and hidden checkpoints where you pull over and they record what time you came in. Points are given for every second early or late to each checkpoint, and for each sign missed or put out of order. Lowest points win.
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Each car leaves at an exact time (one minute increments). If you were to perfectly follow the exact average speeds as told to you in the instructions, the rallymaster knows exactly what time to the second you should arrive at each checkpoint. If you had a car that could instantly change speed at each turn in the rally and not have to change speed at all for stop signs, turns, sharp curves, someone stopped to make a left turn in front of you, pulling over to think about if you are "lost" or not, stopping to think if you should turn here or are in the wrong place, etc, then every car would arrive at the exact time and everyone would have a perfect score.
If the rallymaster were only to score points for being late, and not penalize points for being early, then everyone could drive as fast as possible and run through the turns like they were roadracing sideways and blow stop signs and pass every car on the road and everyone would arrive at each checkpoint in half the time they were supposed to and everyone would have a perfect score.
When you start the rally, the navigator calls out what the "average speed" is every turn in the rally, and the driver is going to try and maintain that even when he has to stop at stop signs and slow down for curves, etc. Lets say the speed limit is 40 on a winding road, and the average speed for that part of the rally is 30. The driver will have to go maybe 35 to make up for sharp turns he's slowing down for and if he had to stop at one stop sign. If there are many stop signs or many 15mph curves he might have to go 40 to make that up. Now you get to a rally instruction that says "make third left after you see the word SCHOOL" and you've been on this road for 4 miles and you never see school. Now the driver has to uturn, get back to where he turned onto this road (the last rally instruction) as quick as possible. Then look for school again. If they see school this time and make the proper turn, now the navigator has to figure out how many miles they were "lost" (the current odo reading minus the odo reading when they made the last correct turn) and how much farther up the road they are supposed to be now that they figured out the right way to turn (time of rally calculated against what the average speed is). So now the navi tells the driver "uh we're supposed to be 4 miles up that road already, so instead of X miles per hour you should go Y miles per hour for Z minutes". The navi has to do this in a (rapidly) moving car. The driver has to look for the next turn while the navi is looking down to write and calculate. And now the driver has to go faster to "catch up" to "perfect rally time".
They might go 50mph in a 35mph zone for 10 min, or they might go 40mph for 15min. Its up to the navi and driver. But if you hit a checkpoint the later you are the more points you lose. So in terms of scoring you want to go as fast as possible without going past where you are supposed to be in "perfect rally time" or now you're early.
Lets say a team makes a wrong turn, and now goes double the average speed for 5 min to make up time. If the navi calculated wrong, or the driver goes way too fast, now you are early and will lose as many points as if you were late. 5 min early at a checkpoint is the same as 5 min late.
Once you hit a checkpoint and the checkpoint workers record what time you came in, your time to the next checkpoint is reset and if you were early or late you're now on a clean slate to the next checkpoint. So if you totally screw up one section and are driving like a retard to make up time, once you hit a checkpoint you can slow down and start the process all over again (until you make 2 or 3 wrong turns and are then driving like a retard again).
So the more mistakes you make, the faster you have to drive to "catch up". The faster you drive, the more wrong turns you will make.
The skill is minimizing mistakes (driver and navi missing something so they miss a turn, driver driving too fast or too slow) and how quickly you can correct them (how fast the driver can backtrack, how well the navi can figure out where they should be, how fast the driver can make up time on the backroads).
If you've never done a TSD rally before, forget about average time and just concentrate on finishing. Less than half of novices even finish a trick rally because they get so lost they cant figure out how to correctly get back and give up and just go to the finish.
If the rallymaster were only to score points for being late, and not penalize points for being early, then everyone could drive as fast as possible and run through the turns like they were roadracing sideways and blow stop signs and pass every car on the road and everyone would arrive at each checkpoint in half the time they were supposed to and everyone would have a perfect score.
When you start the rally, the navigator calls out what the "average speed" is every turn in the rally, and the driver is going to try and maintain that even when he has to stop at stop signs and slow down for curves, etc. Lets say the speed limit is 40 on a winding road, and the average speed for that part of the rally is 30. The driver will have to go maybe 35 to make up for sharp turns he's slowing down for and if he had to stop at one stop sign. If there are many stop signs or many 15mph curves he might have to go 40 to make that up. Now you get to a rally instruction that says "make third left after you see the word SCHOOL" and you've been on this road for 4 miles and you never see school. Now the driver has to uturn, get back to where he turned onto this road (the last rally instruction) as quick as possible. Then look for school again. If they see school this time and make the proper turn, now the navigator has to figure out how many miles they were "lost" (the current odo reading minus the odo reading when they made the last correct turn) and how much farther up the road they are supposed to be now that they figured out the right way to turn (time of rally calculated against what the average speed is). So now the navi tells the driver "uh we're supposed to be 4 miles up that road already, so instead of X miles per hour you should go Y miles per hour for Z minutes". The navi has to do this in a (rapidly) moving car. The driver has to look for the next turn while the navi is looking down to write and calculate. And now the driver has to go faster to "catch up" to "perfect rally time".
They might go 50mph in a 35mph zone for 10 min, or they might go 40mph for 15min. Its up to the navi and driver. But if you hit a checkpoint the later you are the more points you lose. So in terms of scoring you want to go as fast as possible without going past where you are supposed to be in "perfect rally time" or now you're early.
Lets say a team makes a wrong turn, and now goes double the average speed for 5 min to make up time. If the navi calculated wrong, or the driver goes way too fast, now you are early and will lose as many points as if you were late. 5 min early at a checkpoint is the same as 5 min late.
Once you hit a checkpoint and the checkpoint workers record what time you came in, your time to the next checkpoint is reset and if you were early or late you're now on a clean slate to the next checkpoint. So if you totally screw up one section and are driving like a retard to make up time, once you hit a checkpoint you can slow down and start the process all over again (until you make 2 or 3 wrong turns and are then driving like a retard again).
So the more mistakes you make, the faster you have to drive to "catch up". The faster you drive, the more wrong turns you will make.
The skill is minimizing mistakes (driver and navi missing something so they miss a turn, driver driving too fast or too slow) and how quickly you can correct them (how fast the driver can backtrack, how well the navi can figure out where they should be, how fast the driver can make up time on the backroads).
If you've never done a TSD rally before, forget about average time and just concentrate on finishing. Less than half of novices even finish a trick rally because they get so lost they cant figure out how to correctly get back and give up and just go to the finish.
Last edited by TrboMike; Jun 3, 2009 at 07:42 AM.
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Normally I would say yes right away but I not positive I'm leaving from straight from tenafly and I might also be meeting people at the palisades mall to leave cars parked there and then everyone caravan together.
once I know for sure I'll post here.
You have a navigator and are just looking for a caravan there?
once I know for sure I'll post here.
You have a navigator and are just looking for a caravan there?
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