AMR Coilovers
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AMR Coilovers
So pumped up. Just finished up ordering mine and the girls AMR coilover's for both ours Z's. If you havent heard of AMR before the website is
AMREngineering.com
The guys name is Andy who owns it. Dude is brain when it comes to coilovers and suspension. Has a real knowledge of how a coilover is suppose to feel and work. The coilovers come with a LIFETIME warranty even!! Andy says if i can break them he will fix them. He says that he has never had a set ever break on him or ever had a shock go out in 5 years. Ive never heard of another company offering this or having this kind of track record. He also builds them to the specs you want. I have the D2 coilovers now. I got a really good deal and am just not happy with them. To soft for me. Seems to bounce to much and i rub ALL the time. So Andy and i decided to make a coilover kit with a 13k in the front 10k in the rear. He will valve it himself as always with all his coils. We also are doing a one piece in the rear for my coilovers. Then going to a stock style setup with my girls car. So we will have both styles and can give feedback on both sides of things. She hasnt decided the Kg rating she wants yet but it will probably be somewhere around mine. So the 6 week wait begins. The coilovers are hand built and take alittle time to get finished up. But from what ive read and what ive been told by other AMR customers def worth the wait. We will have pics posted of both cars with these as soon as possible.
AMREngineering.com
The guys name is Andy who owns it. Dude is brain when it comes to coilovers and suspension. Has a real knowledge of how a coilover is suppose to feel and work. The coilovers come with a LIFETIME warranty even!! Andy says if i can break them he will fix them. He says that he has never had a set ever break on him or ever had a shock go out in 5 years. Ive never heard of another company offering this or having this kind of track record. He also builds them to the specs you want. I have the D2 coilovers now. I got a really good deal and am just not happy with them. To soft for me. Seems to bounce to much and i rub ALL the time. So Andy and i decided to make a coilover kit with a 13k in the front 10k in the rear. He will valve it himself as always with all his coils. We also are doing a one piece in the rear for my coilovers. Then going to a stock style setup with my girls car. So we will have both styles and can give feedback on both sides of things. She hasnt decided the Kg rating she wants yet but it will probably be somewhere around mine. So the 6 week wait begins. The coilovers are hand built and take alittle time to get finished up. But from what ive read and what ive been told by other AMR customers def worth the wait. We will have pics posted of both cars with these as soon as possible.
Last edited by jaez; Aug 11, 2009 at 09:13 AM. Reason: grammer
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(So I would be the girl)....and I think I should give everyone a heads up here. It’s now been 7 months since I actually ordered my AMR coilover from Andy.
I met up with Andy in July, locally here in Portland. I ordered my coilovers. I gave him my card number and everything was set just needed to wait for 6 weeks. Ughhh what a wait, but I could do it.
So I waited and waited. Not for my coilovers you see, but just for him to charge my card. I continually called Andy asking him when he was going to charge my card. Finally I gave up. When my coilovers were finally close to being assembled he called stating he hadn't charged me. I gave him my debit card number once again then I waited another 3 weeks for him to charge my card.
I received a good deal on my coilovers because he had the extra parts laying around from someone who backed out on a set. Funny because it wasn't until the beginning of Nov. when I got my coilovers. (July Aug Sept Oct Nov...hmmm longer than 6 weeks slightly?? I'd say so. All because we were waiting for the parts to come in. Why were we waiting when he already had them.) Every week we would check for an update and it would always be,
“Oh just another week, just another week.”
It's now March 2nd and still there are no coilovers on my car.
When I finally got my coilovers I was so excited. The coilovers went on my car the next weekend. Everything was great. Stiff ride handled awesome.
Then came the problems.
After a few days my car started making horrible clunking sounds almost like my top mounts weren't tightened down all the way. So we re-tightened them. By that evening it was making the same sound again. So we called up Andy. He informed us that the coilovers had been assembled with just an electric screw gun and not air tools because he was in the process of moving his shop from Portland to Seattle (as a customer this isn't my problem). He said to re-tighten everything. So we re-tightened everything.
At this point Andy had left to go overseas. We had still only received one of the two sets of coilovers that were suppose to have a 6 week wait; even though, he promised he would have the other set to us before he left.
Andy sent us to his business/coilover friend Billy. An acquaintance of mine purchased a set of AMR coilovers for his 240 and someone else for their EVO. They all seem to be making the same noise. Andy started to blame our installers, so we went to who he recommended, which was Billy. Billy was able to fix the 240 coilovers. So we took my 350z to him.
He couldn't seem to find the problem. They took the coilovers off my car and now have disassembled them and reassembled them more times than I can count. Everything seems to be fine when they take them apart, and they can't make them replicate the noise on the shock dyno. Andy then said that the noise was caused from my sway bars and camber kit. My car does not make any noise with stock springs back on it.
So then we decided to wait for the 2nd set of coilovers. When the second set came in (Just a few weeks ago-go ahead count how many weeks it’s been). We put them not on my car, but on a friend’s car. We know over 10 people with 350z. All with different suspension and no one with this problem. The other Z now with AMR coilovers has started making noise too. His car previously had Tein springs on it, it sat lower than where it sits now with the AMR coilovers, and made no noise.
After a few months Andy comes back from overseas. After multiple voicemails and texts with no return he finally responds. I tell him that PIR is opening March 5th and I need these coilovers on my car by then, or I need to order something different (this was a little over 3 weeks ago). He assures me that he will fix the problem and that AMR coilovers have a lifetime warranty and they will be on my car by March 5th with no problems. He tells me that he thinks something went wrong in the install and now has no faith in his friend Billy who he had previously sent us too (Billy did a great job helping btw). So then we try to set a time to meet up.
Andy tells me he's in Seattle but will be down in Portland for the weekend. (weekend of dyno day at English Racing.) I tell him that I'm busy Saturday, that my parents are in town (which they were) and that I was going to dyno day. I told him I was available all day Sunday. He says he can't do Sunday, but he would be available during the week. I say ok I'll get back to you Monday and let you know when is good. After many texts (Andy has asked I text him before) with no response he finally texts me back. We try to make plans to meet up. He says he can't do it if its dark ( does that mean garage lights don't work?) I tell him we could meet up on Friday right when I get off work. He says sure. I ask him where to meet him multiple time-no response.
So Friday Feb 26th I drive to work (I live in Hillsboro, work in downtown, and Andy does his work in Vancouver). I called him the night before and left him voicemail saying I needed to know what was happening because I couldn't get a hold of him. I needed to know if I needed to drive to work. I leave him another voicemail in the morning and then he returns my call. He tells me he can't do it if it’s raining (Hello its Oregon it rains like 200 days out of the year here). I tell him I have a two car garage and he can come to my house. He told me he was leaving Seattle then (this was around 8am). We planned to meet at 5:00.
I couldn't reach Andy all day. He finally texts me at 6:00 and tells me he's at exit 68 on i-5 (long ways away from my house) and that he's in traffic (well ya it's rush hour in the city what did you expect) He still had to pick up Billy because Billy was going to be helping him install my coilovers.
I don't hear from Andy until I text him at 9:15. I tell him I have plans at 10 and I don't think it will work out for the tonight. He blames it on me for not telling him I had plans (there was no need to tell him, had he been on time). I tell him I'm not sure I even want to put the coilovers on my car, that they made noise before and the other set was making noise and I was interested in just getting my money back if we couldn't get this all figured out ASAP. He says we can meet up next week. I ask if we could meet on Saturday instead, I received no response until Sunday.
Sunday…Andy texts me telling me I have no right to a refund and that he doesn't need to be helping me. He says that I should have goggled coilover problems myself and found out that g's and z's have bad endlinks. That him and Billy don't need to help it's not his problem. (There was a much longer unprofessional line of texts which I’m shortening to help save the length of this post).
I asked him repeatedly where my coilovers were so I could come pick them up and what endlinks he recommended. He continually avoided the question. Finally jaez called him and now I have my coilovers back (fml why do ppl think they can f girls over?)
I don’t know anyone else with endlink problems. We called forged performance and GTM both companies have never had a problem with endlinks on 350s. Of course it’s a possibility but GTM said they have replaced maybe one set after the car had a lot of miles (my car just rolled over to 40k and has never been modified previously). The noise does not sound like an endlink problem, it sounds like a top mount problem. (Funny part is, Andy told me I had to wait for him to be in the states so he could hear the noise coming from my car, but he still has not heard it).
So today, I am overnighting endlinks, hoping to have it all on my car by Friday for PIR. If it fixed the problem, then great I'll take back asking for my refund. If it doesn't, it’s obviously not my car, it’s the coilovers. Funny how a lifetime warranty disappears as soon as there is a problem.
If the endlinks don't fix it I've already looked into legal action, and I'll be buying some JICs who will actually take care of their customers when there is a problem
I met up with Andy in July, locally here in Portland. I ordered my coilovers. I gave him my card number and everything was set just needed to wait for 6 weeks. Ughhh what a wait, but I could do it.
So I waited and waited. Not for my coilovers you see, but just for him to charge my card. I continually called Andy asking him when he was going to charge my card. Finally I gave up. When my coilovers were finally close to being assembled he called stating he hadn't charged me. I gave him my debit card number once again then I waited another 3 weeks for him to charge my card.
I received a good deal on my coilovers because he had the extra parts laying around from someone who backed out on a set. Funny because it wasn't until the beginning of Nov. when I got my coilovers. (July Aug Sept Oct Nov...hmmm longer than 6 weeks slightly?? I'd say so. All because we were waiting for the parts to come in. Why were we waiting when he already had them.) Every week we would check for an update and it would always be,
“Oh just another week, just another week.”
It's now March 2nd and still there are no coilovers on my car.
When I finally got my coilovers I was so excited. The coilovers went on my car the next weekend. Everything was great. Stiff ride handled awesome.
Then came the problems.
After a few days my car started making horrible clunking sounds almost like my top mounts weren't tightened down all the way. So we re-tightened them. By that evening it was making the same sound again. So we called up Andy. He informed us that the coilovers had been assembled with just an electric screw gun and not air tools because he was in the process of moving his shop from Portland to Seattle (as a customer this isn't my problem). He said to re-tighten everything. So we re-tightened everything.
At this point Andy had left to go overseas. We had still only received one of the two sets of coilovers that were suppose to have a 6 week wait; even though, he promised he would have the other set to us before he left.
Andy sent us to his business/coilover friend Billy. An acquaintance of mine purchased a set of AMR coilovers for his 240 and someone else for their EVO. They all seem to be making the same noise. Andy started to blame our installers, so we went to who he recommended, which was Billy. Billy was able to fix the 240 coilovers. So we took my 350z to him.
He couldn't seem to find the problem. They took the coilovers off my car and now have disassembled them and reassembled them more times than I can count. Everything seems to be fine when they take them apart, and they can't make them replicate the noise on the shock dyno. Andy then said that the noise was caused from my sway bars and camber kit. My car does not make any noise with stock springs back on it.
So then we decided to wait for the 2nd set of coilovers. When the second set came in (Just a few weeks ago-go ahead count how many weeks it’s been). We put them not on my car, but on a friend’s car. We know over 10 people with 350z. All with different suspension and no one with this problem. The other Z now with AMR coilovers has started making noise too. His car previously had Tein springs on it, it sat lower than where it sits now with the AMR coilovers, and made no noise.
After a few months Andy comes back from overseas. After multiple voicemails and texts with no return he finally responds. I tell him that PIR is opening March 5th and I need these coilovers on my car by then, or I need to order something different (this was a little over 3 weeks ago). He assures me that he will fix the problem and that AMR coilovers have a lifetime warranty and they will be on my car by March 5th with no problems. He tells me that he thinks something went wrong in the install and now has no faith in his friend Billy who he had previously sent us too (Billy did a great job helping btw). So then we try to set a time to meet up.
Andy tells me he's in Seattle but will be down in Portland for the weekend. (weekend of dyno day at English Racing.) I tell him that I'm busy Saturday, that my parents are in town (which they were) and that I was going to dyno day. I told him I was available all day Sunday. He says he can't do Sunday, but he would be available during the week. I say ok I'll get back to you Monday and let you know when is good. After many texts (Andy has asked I text him before) with no response he finally texts me back. We try to make plans to meet up. He says he can't do it if its dark ( does that mean garage lights don't work?) I tell him we could meet up on Friday right when I get off work. He says sure. I ask him where to meet him multiple time-no response.
So Friday Feb 26th I drive to work (I live in Hillsboro, work in downtown, and Andy does his work in Vancouver). I called him the night before and left him voicemail saying I needed to know what was happening because I couldn't get a hold of him. I needed to know if I needed to drive to work. I leave him another voicemail in the morning and then he returns my call. He tells me he can't do it if it’s raining (Hello its Oregon it rains like 200 days out of the year here). I tell him I have a two car garage and he can come to my house. He told me he was leaving Seattle then (this was around 8am). We planned to meet at 5:00.
I couldn't reach Andy all day. He finally texts me at 6:00 and tells me he's at exit 68 on i-5 (long ways away from my house) and that he's in traffic (well ya it's rush hour in the city what did you expect) He still had to pick up Billy because Billy was going to be helping him install my coilovers.
I don't hear from Andy until I text him at 9:15. I tell him I have plans at 10 and I don't think it will work out for the tonight. He blames it on me for not telling him I had plans (there was no need to tell him, had he been on time). I tell him I'm not sure I even want to put the coilovers on my car, that they made noise before and the other set was making noise and I was interested in just getting my money back if we couldn't get this all figured out ASAP. He says we can meet up next week. I ask if we could meet on Saturday instead, I received no response until Sunday.
Sunday…Andy texts me telling me I have no right to a refund and that he doesn't need to be helping me. He says that I should have goggled coilover problems myself and found out that g's and z's have bad endlinks. That him and Billy don't need to help it's not his problem. (There was a much longer unprofessional line of texts which I’m shortening to help save the length of this post).
I asked him repeatedly where my coilovers were so I could come pick them up and what endlinks he recommended. He continually avoided the question. Finally jaez called him and now I have my coilovers back (fml why do ppl think they can f girls over?)
I don’t know anyone else with endlink problems. We called forged performance and GTM both companies have never had a problem with endlinks on 350s. Of course it’s a possibility but GTM said they have replaced maybe one set after the car had a lot of miles (my car just rolled over to 40k and has never been modified previously). The noise does not sound like an endlink problem, it sounds like a top mount problem. (Funny part is, Andy told me I had to wait for him to be in the states so he could hear the noise coming from my car, but he still has not heard it).
So today, I am overnighting endlinks, hoping to have it all on my car by Friday for PIR. If it fixed the problem, then great I'll take back asking for my refund. If it doesn't, it’s obviously not my car, it’s the coilovers. Funny how a lifetime warranty disappears as soon as there is a problem.
If the endlinks don't fix it I've already looked into legal action, and I'll be buying some JICs who will actually take care of their customers when there is a problem
Last edited by raesunshine9; May 7, 2010 at 05:27 PM. Reason: grammer
I hadn't either. No ones been able to break his stuff. So I thought it was a great idea since it was lifetime warranty and I could choose my stiffness. They rally with some of his coilovers, and English Racing (the EVO guys) love them and sell them all the time.
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Pray you never have an issue with anything JIC. The last time I did (about 3-4 years ago, on a customers exhaust - he is a member here), I got such a runaround that I dropped the line completely from our product offerings. They still call every 6 months to talk and ask why we don't carry their stuff anymore...it left such a bad taste in my mouth, I'd never sell it again.
As far as endlinks never going bad on a Z, seriously, either you didn't speak to anyone with any knowledge about these cars, or they were just trying to get you off the phone. Endlinks are a well documented issue on Z's/G's, both lowered and even at stock height. Particularly when aftermarket swaybars are thrown into the mix.
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Jun 5, 2010 at 01:44 PM.
The difference with buying JICs would be the fact that there is a shop who I would buy them from, where if I had issues should help the situation. How many bad experiences did you have with them? Was it just one or was it repeated? Either way I'm not wanting new coilover; I just want these to work.
I know there are people onlline who have had endlink problems, but this does not sound like endlinks. I've had coilovers installed on a previous car where the fronts weren't tightened down (imagine taking the bolts off and just driving with ur suspension being held in place by weight) this is an identical sound to that. We put a friends megan coilovers on my car the other night and it made no noise.
So if it was the endlinks shouldn't I hear it all the time? The coilovers only make noise after a few days of driving (after all seems settled).
I know there are people onlline who have had endlink problems, but this does not sound like endlinks. I've had coilovers installed on a previous car where the fronts weren't tightened down (imagine taking the bolts off and just driving with ur suspension being held in place by weight) this is an identical sound to that. We put a friends megan coilovers on my car the other night and it made no noise.
So if it was the endlinks shouldn't I hear it all the time? The coilovers only make noise after a few days of driving (after all seems settled).
The difference with buying JICs would be the fact that there is a shop who I would buy them from, where if I had issues should help the situation. How many bad experiences did you have with them? Was it just one or was it repeated? Either way I'm not wanting new coilover; I just want these to work.
I know there are people onlline who have had endlink problems, but this does not sound like endlinks. I've had coilovers installed on a previous car where the fronts weren't tightened down (imagine taking the bolts off and just driving with ur suspension being held in place by weight) this is an identical sound to that. We put a friends megan coilovers on my car the other night and it made no noise.
So if it was the endlinks shouldn't I hear it all the time? The coilovers only make noise after a few days of driving (after all seems settled).
I know there are people onlline who have had endlink problems, but this does not sound like endlinks. I've had coilovers installed on a previous car where the fronts weren't tightened down (imagine taking the bolts off and just driving with ur suspension being held in place by weight) this is an identical sound to that. We put a friends megan coilovers on my car the other night and it made no noise.
So if it was the endlinks shouldn't I hear it all the time? The coilovers only make noise after a few days of driving (after all seems settled).
I am not going to even venture a guess as to what may or may not be wrong with your suspension. It's a no name brand by someone you claim is an expert. If you cannot resolve it with him, that seems to leave you with few realistic options. If it were my car, I'd have cut my losses a long time ago and rather than taking a chance on something new and unproven, no matter what the cost may have been. A good deal is only a good deal if the product works as it should. When it doesn't, to me it's not worth any amount of money, no matter how cheap it was. A good deal and good product are not the same thing. There are several well reviewed, well established, affordable setups out there, that taking a chance on an unknown quantity, from someone who at least based on what you have previously written, isn't really interested in helping you, wouldn't be on my radar whatsoever.
Good luck whatever route you choose.
Last edited by Z1 Performance; Mar 3, 2010 at 07:02 AM.
I'd have disconnected my sway bar end links LONG ago and rode around a little while on different types of road conditions to determine if it would still knock. If it did, it's obviously not end links, if it didn't knock, then you know to replace the end links.
That would have answered that argument immediately.
Either way, good luck with everything and sorry to hear about the troubles.
That would have answered that argument immediately.
Either way, good luck with everything and sorry to hear about the troubles.
Well we're a shop, and were one of JIC's oldest dealers (since 2001 when they first arrived in the US)....and they treated us poorly on this one case. So poorly and for such a long time that I'd never sell another one of their products again, period. Take it for whatever you want. Buy a JIC suspension, don't buy one, either way, it doesn't affect me, it only affects you. I am just giving out my own friendly advice, based on being in the business since well before there was a JIC.
I am not going to even venture a guess as to what may or may not be wrong with your suspension. It's a no name brand by someone you claim is an expert. If you cannot resolve it with him, that seems to leave you with few realistic options. If it were my car, I'd have cut my losses a long time ago and rather than taking a chance on something new and unproven, no matter what the cost may have been. A good deal is only a good deal if the product works as it should. When it doesn't, to me it's not worth any amount of money, no matter how cheap it was. A good deal and good product are not the same thing. There are several well reviewed, well established, affordable setups out there, that taking a chance on an unknown quantity, from someone who at least based on what you have previously written, isn't really interested in helping you, wouldn't be on my radar whatsoever.
Good luck whatever route you choose.
I am not going to even venture a guess as to what may or may not be wrong with your suspension. It's a no name brand by someone you claim is an expert. If you cannot resolve it with him, that seems to leave you with few realistic options. If it were my car, I'd have cut my losses a long time ago and rather than taking a chance on something new and unproven, no matter what the cost may have been. A good deal is only a good deal if the product works as it should. When it doesn't, to me it's not worth any amount of money, no matter how cheap it was. A good deal and good product are not the same thing. There are several well reviewed, well established, affordable setups out there, that taking a chance on an unknown quantity, from someone who at least based on what you have previously written, isn't really interested in helping you, wouldn't be on my radar whatsoever.
Good luck whatever route you choose.
I think everyone has to start out somewhere. I talked to a different person with an EVO who was very happy with his coilovers so I was willing to give it a try. Its not something I typically do haha...and probably won't be doing again any time soon.
I'd have disconnected my sway bar end links LONG ago and rode around a little while on different types of road conditions to determine if it would still knock. If it did, it's obviously not end links, if it didn't knock, then you know to replace the end links.
That would have answered that argument immediately.
Either way, good luck with everything and sorry to hear about the troubles.
That would have answered that argument immediately.
Either way, good luck with everything and sorry to hear about the troubles.
Last edited by raesunshine9; Mar 3, 2010 at 09:21 AM.
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What exactly are you looking at buying the jic or the amr?
On another note. Update for her car. Amr is setting up a new shop back in vancouver trying to make an appointment this week after the office is finshed. They are willing to install the coilovers to figure out what the noise is. Also they have built new aluminium top mounts instead of using the pillow ball which i think that were gonna have her go with. Just for daily driving is seems to be a smarter way to go for the time being. Will give another update and pics when they get back on the car. Keeping fingers crossed for no noises.
On another note. Update for her car. Amr is setting up a new shop back in vancouver trying to make an appointment this week after the office is finshed. They are willing to install the coilovers to figure out what the noise is. Also they have built new aluminium top mounts instead of using the pillow ball which i think that were gonna have her go with. Just for daily driving is seems to be a smarter way to go for the time being. Will give another update and pics when they get back on the car. Keeping fingers crossed for no noises.
Still waiting for the shop to open 
Guess they're having issues with it...
maybe they'll install them this weekend or next week...
coming close to a year in the making now.
so lame driving a monster truck around with all the other parts i have on it.
hopefully it will all work out soon.
Guess they're having issues with it...
maybe they'll install them this weekend or next week...
coming close to a year in the making now.
so lame driving a monster truck around with all the other parts i have on it.
hopefully it will all work out soon.
so giving up on their new shop ever opening.
got new top hats from Andy and now we plan to install them on sunday.
looks like were doing it and not Andy, I'm not excited about this, because if he does it himself he can't pull the "its installed wrong card" but he is being much nicer now and said if we have any issues to bring the car to him and he'll figure it out and get it fixed.
if this really take a year (to the end of July when I first ordered them last summer) I'm going to be one unhappy girl.
got new top hats from Andy and now we plan to install them on sunday.
looks like were doing it and not Andy, I'm not excited about this, because if he does it himself he can't pull the "its installed wrong card" but he is being much nicer now and said if we have any issues to bring the car to him and he'll figure it out and get it fixed.
if this really take a year (to the end of July when I first ordered them last summer) I'm going to be one unhappy girl.
so giving up on their new shop ever opening.
got new top hats from Andy and now we plan to install them on sunday.
looks like were doing it and not Andy, I'm not excited about this, because if he does it himself he can't pull the "its installed wrong card" but he is being much nicer now and said if we have any issues to bring the car to him and he'll figure it out and get it fixed.
if this really take a year (to the end of July when I first ordered them last summer) I'm going to be one unhappy girl.
got new top hats from Andy and now we plan to install them on sunday.
looks like were doing it and not Andy, I'm not excited about this, because if he does it himself he can't pull the "its installed wrong card" but he is being much nicer now and said if we have any issues to bring the car to him and he'll figure it out and get it fixed.
if this really take a year (to the end of July when I first ordered them last summer) I'm going to be one unhappy girl.
Raesunshine9, I was an original owner of a 2003 Z. When I installed Tein Basics on my Z, it too had a clunking noise for over a month. I must have taken out the rear suspension a dozen of times. I even swapped sides. I went as far as laying in my trunk while my brother drove the car to hear where exactly the noise was coming from. It was crazy..lol! I almost sold my car because of it. However, one day the noise went away and that was that. To this day, I still recall the noise problem when I think of the Z, but have no clue what caused it. I don't think it was AMR's suspension. Anyway, I hope you get things resolved with Andy. Almost two years ago, I traded my Z for an Evo. I too am thinking about buying Andy's setup. Finding the right coilover for a decent price is tough. I started to do a little more research on AMR and it has led me to this link. I'm interested how things turn out for you. I have read a few posts where individuals have waited quite some time to get their orders from Andy. I don't know what gives because I may just lose interest in his product.
Last edited by Cyp; May 21, 2010 at 09:03 PM.