Injected Performance brings you HALTECH PLATINUM PNP STANDALONE
10-19-2007, 07:25 AM
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It looks promosing.
On the other hand there must be some new online tuning course because it sure seems like a lot of people are pretty confident about tuning their own cars.
On the other hand there must be some new online tuning course because it sure seems like a lot of people are pretty confident about tuning their own cars.
10-19-2007, 08:06 AM
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Quadcam: No user manual available online right now.
Used: Stock knock sensor is fine
Gman: Well, it gives the customer the ability to tune their own car though I would suggest most people take it to a reputable tuner that knows what they are doing. The FCON has a select few tuners that can access the ecu, whereas the Haltech can be tuned by any good tuner. So for many people this means instead of trailering hours away, they can have a local shop tune their car. Also, if there is a problem say with idle, I know many people complain because they have to trailer their car back to an FCON tuner to fix it With the Haltech they could be walked through the changes on the phone.
Overzealous: CEL will depend on the tune. Often time with turbo setups we are targeting AFs in boost that the stock ecu does not favor. All factory features/functions still work! Such as cruise, vdc, etc.
Used: Stock knock sensor is fine
Gman: Well, it gives the customer the ability to tune their own car though I would suggest most people take it to a reputable tuner that knows what they are doing. The FCON has a select few tuners that can access the ecu, whereas the Haltech can be tuned by any good tuner. So for many people this means instead of trailering hours away, they can have a local shop tune their car. Also, if there is a problem say with idle, I know many people complain because they have to trailer their car back to an FCON tuner to fix it With the Haltech they could be walked through the changes on the phone.
Overzealous: CEL will depend on the tune. Often time with turbo setups we are targeting AFs in boost that the stock ecu does not favor. All factory features/functions still work! Such as cruise, vdc, etc.
10-19-2007, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hal@IP
The FCON has a select few tuners that can access the ecu, whereas the Haltech can be tuned by any good tuner. So for many people this means instead of trailering hours away, they can have a local shop tune their car.
Originally Posted by Hal@IP
Also, if there is a problem say with idle, I know many people complain because they have to trailer their car back to an FCON tuner to fix it With the Haltech they could be walked through the changes on the phone.
10-19-2007, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
As far as fixing the idle, why would anyone need the idle tweaked after if it was properly tuned right off the bat. I have the FCON and I too needed my idle fixed, but that was because of the crappy job my previous tuner did. Once it was fixed by a competent tuner, I have not had to fix or tweak anything in the tune....It's been over a year since it was fixed.
In a perfect world..... it would idle fine forever (on an FCON, Haltech, etc)But, as you know from experience - not everyone gets a perfect tune. I have many messages from FCON owners complaining that they get their cars back home and over time (with temperature changes, etc) the car no longer idles perfect. They are then forced to either live with it, or take it back to an FCON dealer (some traveling 4+ hours) to get that one problem solved. This could easily be sorted out over the phone if they had access to the ecu.
I am not wanting to make this into a Haltech vs FCON thread, I was only making a point of how an unlocked ecu is favorable for the end user.
10-19-2007, 09:45 AM
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I've talked to a couple of shops about the Haltech already and it was best summed up by Sharif over at FP:
1. If you're the type of person who doesn't wrench or care to go over your car regularly. The type that if ANYTHING goes wrong, you can put it on a flatbed and send it to the shop/tuner of your choice - then the F-Con is a great option for you.
2. If on the other hand you have a desire to know your car inside and out and have the flexability to adjust and tweak as you see fit - then the Haltech is the sweet spot.
It's all down to personal preference really. The F-Con is a great EMS solution, but it's not for everyone. Likewise for the Haltech.
Excluding ultra high end options like the MoTec, the F-Con and Haltech are sure to be the go-to options for MOST of the FI Z's and G's out there. Deciding between the two is up to the end user/owner.
FWIW - I'm on the Haltech side of the house
1. If you're the type of person who doesn't wrench or care to go over your car regularly. The type that if ANYTHING goes wrong, you can put it on a flatbed and send it to the shop/tuner of your choice - then the F-Con is a great option for you.
2. If on the other hand you have a desire to know your car inside and out and have the flexability to adjust and tweak as you see fit - then the Haltech is the sweet spot.
It's all down to personal preference really. The F-Con is a great EMS solution, but it's not for everyone. Likewise for the Haltech.
Excluding ultra high end options like the MoTec, the F-Con and Haltech are sure to be the go-to options for MOST of the FI Z's and G's out there. Deciding between the two is up to the end user/owner.
FWIW - I'm on the Haltech side of the house
10-19-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Hal@IP
I am not wanting to make this into a Haltech vs FCON thread, I was only making a point of how an unlocked ecu is favorable for the end user.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to turn it into a FCON vs. Haltech, I just find it funny how many self tuners we have on here.
Most that buy this system will be FI, and as you know FI is much less forgiving that na. BOT.
10-19-2007, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
gman-who cares if people want ACCESS to their EMS's? Why laugh at them, the same could be said about you never taking your car to the track-but that is neither her nor there....
I could care less about what EMS people put in their car, but it is halirous how most people on this forum cry about not being able to tweak their tune with past EMS selections. Most of them can't clean their **** right, but they can all of a sudden make adjustment to their tune. This isn't your moma's (not directed at you, just using the expression) UTEC and most people that will use this EMS will be FI. I can see the explosions coming more rampant than suicide bombers in IRAQ.
That's all I got to say. Unsubscribing.
10-19-2007, 01:01 PM
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Just because the ECU is unlocked, does not mean people have to tune it themselves. Almost every other ecu is not locked to a select few dealers and they work just fine.
In my opinion, it is not a question of: FCON = dealer tuning only, Haltech = user tuning only. But rather, the Haltech allows the user to decide where they want it tuned. The same people tuning FCON will have no problem tuning a Haltech, take Sharif for example. He already has experience with the Haltech Platinum 350Z, and making the switch is no problem. Anyone who can setup a nice map in Autronic, AEM, Electromotive Tec3, etc can do the same with Haltech.
In my opinion, it is not a question of: FCON = dealer tuning only, Haltech = user tuning only. But rather, the Haltech allows the user to decide where they want it tuned. The same people tuning FCON will have no problem tuning a Haltech, take Sharif for example. He already has experience with the Haltech Platinum 350Z, and making the switch is no problem. Anyone who can setup a nice map in Autronic, AEM, Electromotive Tec3, etc can do the same with Haltech.
10-19-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Hal@IP
Just because the ECU is unlocked, does not mean people have to tune it themselves. Almost every other ecu is not locked to a select few dealers and they work just fine.
In my opinion, it is not a question of: FCON = dealer tuning only, Haltech = user tuning only. But rather, the Haltech allows the user to decide where they want it tuned. The same people tuning FCON will have no problem tuning a Haltech, take Sharif for example. He already has experience with the Haltech Platinum 350Z, and making the switch is no problem. Anyone who can setup a nice map in Autronic, AEM, Electromotive Tec3, etc can do the same with Haltech.
In my opinion, it is not a question of: FCON = dealer tuning only, Haltech = user tuning only. But rather, the Haltech allows the user to decide where they want it tuned. The same people tuning FCON will have no problem tuning a Haltech, take Sharif for example. He already has experience with the Haltech Platinum 350Z, and making the switch is no problem. Anyone who can setup a nice map in Autronic, AEM, Electromotive Tec3, etc can do the same with Haltech.
But How easy is it going to be uploading the new software? Switching maps... anyway to run a map switch?
10-21-2007, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by overZealous1
any cel lights? does all of the factory car features still work correctly? ei- cruise control, vdc, and so on...
10-22-2007, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by D350Z10
But How easy is it going to be uploading the new software? Switching maps... anyway to run a map switch?
The unit is setup to hold multiple maps, and they are completing the map-switching input now. For the present time, you would have to connect to the ecu and select 'Upload Map'. This takes less than 10 seconds
10-22-2007, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackbird CPV35
how good is the datalogging?
i assume it has realtime rpm vs load charts right?
i assume it has realtime rpm vs load charts right?
