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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:28 AM
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You made a racist comment and that crap has no place on this forum or in the real world...

I'm going to create another thread about our little grudge match, this has gotten off topic, and you'll probably delete this thread like you always do when you get
just so you know Phil.. being italian doesn't put you in a race.. one can't be racist when there is on race
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:34 AM
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My car...All off the shelf parts.. On a side note, has anyone ever seen you and Phil in the same room?Im starting to think there is the whole Latoya/Michael Jackson thing going on here... Phil Posts, then you post..You post then Phil posts, but never at the same time Hmmmmm, interesting...
Not sure what this means.
Phil is my friend, and I tuned his car, so I am interested to see how this goes. You guys both have strong setups, so IHMO, anywone can win...I just wanna see a race!
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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just so you know Phil.. being italian doesn't put you in a race.. one can't be racist when there is on race
Doug - you must be joking...

Racial profiling, AKA 'ethnic profiling' defined as 'the inclusion of racial or ethnic characteristics in determining whether a person is considered likely to commit a particular type of crime...'

So when Julian pulls over an Italian person, he automatically thinks that they're involved in gambling? Based on his comments, this is true and it's very sad...
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Listen Doug, over half the US Black population is or has spent time in jail, so is me saying that you should know a thing or two about doing time because you're Black a racist comment...? It absolutely is and those words or anything remotely close would never come from my mouth. do some more homework on RACIAL PROFILING! Corporate America doesn't tolerate behavior like this and we train our employees - seems the Bayonne Police Dept failed to educate one of their own.

I wonder if Julian's Captain would find that comment racist...? Let's just drop the personal attacks and let your car do the talking for once...
how is it you train people on racial profiling and you have no idea what a race is? i wonder if your boss knows that
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Doug - you must be joking...

Racial profiling, AKA 'ethnic profiling' defined as 'the inclusion of racial or ethnic characteristics in determining whether a person is considered likely to commit a particular type of crime...'

So when Julian pulls over an Italian person, he automatically thinks that they're involved in gambling? Based on his comments, this is true and it's very sad...
Phil! italian is not a race .. please stop saying that, you are making yourself look more and more ignorant..

race and ethnicity are two different things
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:39 AM
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Not sure what this means.
Phil is my friend, and I tuned his car, so I am interested to see how this goes. You guys both have strong setups, so IHMO, anywone can win...I just wanna see a race!
i honestly didn't know you tuned his car.. i don't remember him mentioning that
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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Phil! italian is not a race .. please stop saying that, you are making yourself look more and more ignorant..

race and ethnicity are two different things
You have no grasp on history or the world out side of MRC! Here's just one resource for your education - I have hundreds more if you like!




Italian Americans and Race
Race has long been a factor in Italian identity. After national unification in 1861, northern Italians racialized the South as a land of lazy, violent, criminal inferior people. "Africa begins at Rome," is an old adage still heard today in Italy.

Southern Italians' racial ambiguity has been championed by the Italian group Almamegretta, in their hit "Hannibal's Children :


That's why many Italians have dark skin
That's why many Italians have dark hair
That's why many Italians have dark eyes
That's why many Italians have dark skin

Some of Hannibal's blood remained in everybody's veins (2x)
Nobody can say I'm lying (2x)
If you know your history, you know where the color of the blood that runs in your veins comes from (2x)

Italian immigrants encountered a racist system based on socially marked categories of "white" and "black." Italians often found themselves in an in-between position of not quite black and not quite white, while always receiving the benefits of whiteness from the federal government. In wasn't until the 1930s and 1940s that Italian Americans began to assert a "white" identity, and sometimes with a vengeance.

This is an exteremly superfical recap of a complicated history that scholars, artists, and others are exploring with increased attention. Here are some sites, publicatiions, and films worth checking out:


Robert Orsi, "The Religious Boundaries of an Inbetween People: Street Feste and the Problem of the Dark-Skinned Other in Italian Harlem, 1920-1990," in Gods of the City: Religion and the American Urban Landscape.

Orsi's seminal article explores how "swarty" Italian Americans became white in racist America.

Thomas Guglielmo, White on Arrival: Italians, Race, Color, and Power in Chicago, 1890-1945

"Immigrating to the United States, Italians, like all others arriving on America's shores, were made to fill out a standardized immigration form. In the box for race, they faced two choices: North Italian or South Italian. On the line requesting information on color, they wrote simply "white." By World War II, the only option they had for race and color questions was "white." This identification is suggestive of the many ways in which Italians became white on arrival in the United States, as Thomas A. Guglielmo demonstrates in this prize-winning book. While many suffered from racial prejudice and discrimination, they were nonetheless viewed as white, with all the privileges this color classification bestowed, in the corridors of American power--from judges to journalists, from organized labor to politicians, from race scientists to realtors. "

Jennifer Guglielmo and Salvatore Salerno, eds. Are Italians White?: How Race is Made in America

"This collection of original essays asks the question - Are Italians White? Each piece carefully explores how, when and why whiteness became important to Italian Americans, and the significance of gender, class and nation to racial identity." Director Spike Lee wrote This book cuts to the heart of the similarities and the differences between Italian Americans and African Americans, which historically has been a volatile mix....I applaud this insightful scrutiny."
Adesso anche in italiano: Gli italiani sono bianchi?: Come l'America ha costruito la razza


David Richards, Italian American: The Racializing of an Ethnic Identity

"Delving into the political and legal context of flawed liberal nationalism both in Italy (the Risorgimento) and the United States (Reconstruction Amendments), Richards examines why Italian Americans were so reluctant to influence depictions of themselves and their own collective identity. He argues that American racism could not have had the durability or political power it has had either in the popular understanding or in the corruption of constitutional ideals unless many new immigrants, themselves often regarded as racially inferior, had been drawn into accepting and supporting many of the terms of American racism."

Matthew Frye Jacobson, Whiteness of a Different Color: European Immigrants and the Alchemy of Race
"... Jacobson argues that race resides not in nature but in the contingencies of politics and culture. In ever-changing racial categories we glimpse the competing theories of history and collective destiny by which power has been organized and contested in the United States. Capturing the excitement of the new field of "whiteness studies" and linking it to traditional historical inquiry, Jacobson shows that in this nation of immigrants 'race' has been at the core of civic assimilation: ethnic minorities in becoming American were reracialized to become Caucasian."

Matthew Frye Jacobson, Roots Too: White Ethnic Revival in Post-Civil Rights America

David R. Roediger, Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrants Become White

Andrea Dottolo's "Situating Whiteness in Italian Identity."

Prof. Natasha Chang's class "Race, Ethnicity, and Italian American Identity" at Middlebury College.

Father James Groppi, civil rights activist.


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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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Italians breed with the moors and arabs way back in the day and thats why they have "olive" skin. LOL racist profiling. I get pulled over for it all the time because im white and the cops here are mexicans that hardly speak english. Oh wait im being racist now because white people cant complain about it.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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just because a couple of prof write something its suppose to be gospel? you really need to go back in time and research what a race is.. Italian is an nationality.. not a race.. you can have white italians, you can have black italians.. you can have asian italians.. it doesn't make it a race phil.

Have you any idea how many US Soilders have had children in Germany and Italy while on tour?

So if a black Couple has a Kid in Italy.. that kid is now italian and he is what? in the italian race..

stop posting Phil your ignorance is getting the better of you..

I guess Tony Parker from the San Antonio Spurs is in the French Race right?

get some real education other than your bogus studies
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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Italians breed with the moors and arabs way back in the day and thats why they have "olive" skin.
thats Sicilians.. not Italians
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:54 AM
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Opps meant sicilian lol. If black people moved and had kids in italy they would call them African-Italians, according to some people i guess.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:55 AM
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man i just read 5 pages and this thread took a turn.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:57 AM
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man i just read 5 pages and this thread took a turn.
Phil is just finding another way to let everyone know Julian's profession.. like we didn't read it the last 20 times he posted it
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:09 AM
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Phil is just finding another way to let everyone know Julian's profession.. like we didn't read it the last 20 times he posted it
Phil is a Douchbag..Plain and simple..A whiney feminine pu$$y Douchebag..Hes gonna get owned on Friday, if he shows up..
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Where would the FI forum be without MRC drama?

PS. What does race have to do with turbo VQs?
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Phil is a Douchbag..Plain and simple..A whiney feminine pu$$y Douchebag..Hes gonna get owned on Friday, if he shows up..
DO yourself a favor and bring your gun - you call me those names on friday to my face and I'm laying your a$$ out! Count on IT!

I've already contacted my attorney and bail funds are ready - that's if you don't kill an unarmed man (me) - nothing would surprise me with you.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:19 AM
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DO yourself a favor and bring your gun - you call me those names on friday to my face and I'm laying your a$$ out! Count on IT!

I've already contacted my attorney and bail funds are ready - that's if you don't kill an unarmed man (me) - nothing would surprise me with you.
personal attacks is one thing.. we are moving on to threats now? wow .. getting better and better phil
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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personal attacks is one thing.. we are moving on to threats now? wow .. getting better and better phil

A race is one thing, there's enough documentation on here that Julian is looking for a fight. He controls his future, and if he gets in my face and starts a fight don't expect me to back down.
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