I can't answer that for Scott. That is something he has to answer.

Scott was right on in his comment about your selective reading and comprehension. He is the one that told me I need to go to MrA and get some of my money back or work out some other arrangement. I just said that. How bout you scroll up a little and read it again. Ok Pumpkin?

So you would take it up with your partner and not make it up to the customer? Keep it quiet right? Pocket the money and just make sure it doesn't happen again kinda thing right? You are so hypocritical. There could be no dirty money at MRC! Give me a break. Scott doesn't have tabs on MrA and could have no possible way to know what that scumbag was doing at times, just like you have no idea what your partners are doing at all times. So how bout you drop the holier than thou routine. It could happen to anyone, including you and MRC! I think that him letting the customer know and insisting I confront MrA was a very professional move and at least let me know he was honest. Your keeping it behind closed doors and not telling the customer seems more dishonest to me. And by the way, it would never happen at MRC is not answering my question. So how bout you answer it now. IF you found out one of your partners had already stolen money from a customer and ripped him off, Would you keep the money and discuss it with the partner behind closed doors? Or would you let the customer know like Scott did for me?

Once again, Scott knew a lot of what was going on, but he could not possibly know everything that was going on with MrA and what he was doing. The night I met Scott was the first time I had been to the VRT shop. At that point MrA already had about 4000 dollars of mine that I had given to him outside of the shop. So how was Scott to know about that? Especially considering some of the money I gave him was cash? It is pretty easy for MrA to keep most of my cash, put a little into the company account, and tell Scott we are doing it for "this price" instead of what I actually paid.

You just insist on pushing this on Scott. You are really reaching to put the blame on him. Why? It has been established many times here that MrA was the crook. He knew it and left this forum. He doesn't even try to defend himself, he knows he was caught so he up and left. Scott is one of the guys that helped call him out on this and insists on defending himself because he had no part in what MrA was doing. So how bout you explain why you insist on trying to pin the blame on him when he is doing all he can to separate himself from VRT. You are just trying to throw him back in it.

 

Are you seriously bringing up more **** about Scott???????????? Why?!!! It has already been discussed/debated/bitched about A MILLION ****ING TIMES. DROP IT!

 

Fair enough, but he wont..


Ok, beside telling YOU to talk to Mr. A , with completely unsubstanciated facts based soley on his comment to you in private,what EXACTLY did Scott FURTHER do to PREVENT you from being ripped off, and reimburse you your money?

















NOTHING...


Once again, out of context by YOU..Im saying I would not get the customer involved in any internal corruption if there were.I would simply rectify it, by reimbursing the customer any frauded funds.Without making the customer a part of OUR problems..But like I said, there wouldnt be any.

When it comes to MRC I know EVERYTHING my partner does pertaining to MRC.

I can say with 100% confidence, we would NEVER be ripping off customers.Period.
So instead of partners in the company stepping up and correcting it, it became YOUR proble to confront Mr. A. with ZERO evidence other than their word?
I would reiburse the customer and confront my partner.Not let the customer handle OUR mess and not get his money back..Did Scott get you any of your $$$ back or the parts you paid for?


And did nothing to stop it ??

Well that was part of the problem..Even the police have police policing them..
Then my friend, you were VERY foolish and to trusting..
Not blaming him, just trying to get to the REAL bottom of what went on at VRT and who was at fault..Thats all, it is in the 350Z communities best interest..
Perhaps eliminating Mr A. was in some elses best interest??I dont know..

 

Ibtl!

 

He is the one that gave me information to go to MrA with. And by doing so he did in fact help me get back some of my money. Also he helped me identify parts that were on my car that were not supposed to be there, where they came from, etc. More info to substantiate my claim to MrA. i.e. where that POS exhaust that MrA put on my car came from.

Just curious...How would you simply refund the customer without letting him know why he was getting his money back? Tell him he was your 1 millionth customer? How would you go about getting him his money back without telling him that your partner ripped him off?

here we go with the holier than thou. How would you know if your partner got paid in cash for work they brought in? Can't possibly happen to you right? Whatever.

Can't happen to you. Once again, holier than thou. Well guess what. It hasn't happened to RA either. Don't even try to bring up that bogus mudslinging thread that Sharif posted even though he knew ahead of time that it was all cleared up and the customer told him not to say anything. we all know that was BS mudslinging by Sharif.

Yes he did. He helped me get the exhaust I originally paid for and the popcharger I paid for(which the ones VRT put on were not what I paid for). He also helped me get $1500 back from MrA, then he personally inspected the work FOR FREE after I took it back to MrA to get everything corrected. Which by the way, VRT installed it wrong, Scott pointed out what was wrong and I got to make VRT fix it while I stood over their shoulder. By the way, Scott could have helped more, but he was starting up RA and I did not want to get him involved. He did not just turn me away, he helped in everyway possible to help me get my stuff fixed and make things right with me.

for once I agree with you. I was too trusting with MrA. I was so excited about getting work done and I didn't think. That was my fault. No one elses.

And we have called out VRT and MrA. We did the service. Scott left VRT to distance himself from this BS you keep trying to throw back at him. He didn't have any part of that, why don't you let it go.


Like the way you keep trying to insinuate things about Scott without any evidence? Deja vu maybe? Or the way Sharif posted that bogus thread trying to sling mud at RA even though it has been cleaned up and he knew it?

Who are you really trying to help? The 350z community? Or maybe YOU are just trying to eliminate some competition.

 

 

It makes me feel bad just reading that. And it wasn't even my Z.

So is anybody going to put Mr.A in jail?

 

I love how they say "project 350z has been raped and we have been taken by a con man." That is awesome!

 

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im one of those guys who got burned they speak of.....now im paying for it....big time.....but hopefully sam can get my Z back b4 the new year! im keppin my finges crossed!!!!

 

Once again, this would 100% never take place at my shop, so this would be a non issue.

Im telling you, this would never happen at my establishment.Therefore your argument is bogus..I understand your frustration for falling victim to a con man ran company.Dont feel bad, even the magazines fell for it..


You cant even be serious can you? There were parts put on that build that Sharif posted, that were not in the motor, and in fact did not even exist Is that not in typical VRT fashion weve all come to know and love? You surely must either be Hypnotized, or VERY easily conned my friend..Wanna buy a bridge I got for sale??

Kudos to Scott for helping!!
Perhaps he was "eliminating the competition" as you said?

You cant fully blame yourself.There were members of this very forum hyping and preaching Mr. A.'s work and feeding into the lies.Its not your fault you bought into the BS, heck even the import magazines fell for his charm and lost money and face..I would say you could have been more cautious, but that would be Monday morning quarterbacking on my part..DOnt be so swift to take FULL blame, Mr A. is a scumbag and needs to pay in my opinion..

Im not the one that keeps associating myself and my shop with VRT and cars that were built there am I? No Im not...We all know no car at VRT ever made over 460whp, and their 600+and 800+ whp cars that Scott keeps taking credit for, were completely smoke and mirrors..


Ok...Whatever you say..
You mean the REAL competition like GTM,Sharif,PF,AAM,SP,Intense,Injected??? The LEGITIMATE shops that make HP, and back it up with dyno after dyno after dyno..Those shops? Which shops are you reffering to??

 

waiting for that to happen too

 

Scott did all this while he was still at VRT - Thanks for proving to the community the SHADDY stuff was going on WHILE SCOTT was part OWNER of VRT!

Case ClOSED!

If Scott was a 'stand up guy' he would have resolved this issue for you and wouldn't just rat on Mr A - all conveniently before he was going to leave him and start a new back yard business...

 

Hmm, that was completely overlooked I guess..
Perhaps someone could clarify this for us, as I do remembr Scott stating he had left "Long before the shady dealings went on at VRT"..There really are some interesting developments comming into play here lately.I curious to see what happens here.

 

Also, it's getting pretty hard to believe that the mechanic and all other parties had no knowledge on what was going on... 'Hey Wrench Boy, go over to that customers car and take off his exhuast and put it on my car, my partner has a time attack coming up...' ???

 

Read up the post, it was stated earlier that.....

Mark had no part in any shady dealings, he left and started his own business long before this crap started.

The new mechanics who came after him were some young kids who knew exactly what they were doing. But they were just as shady as Mr. A. They were screwing customers, and then got fired by Mr. A. Eventually they beat Mr. A up, broke his nose and stuff.

 

Never mentioned Marks name...

 

FYI.......I was one of VRT's victims begining of Jan 2007, Mark & Scott had nothing to do with my ZR. It was Mike and a bunch of young kids.

 

Phill and Julian, at it again, I see.
Your guys's lack of actual real knowledge is not only baffeling, but also potientialy harmfull to the community when you start throughing around your guys's conspiricy theories like it is fact, all the while never even being anywhere near the situation (2000+ miles away) and never even dealing directly/inderictly with me, or even one of MY customers...ever. Not cool or very professional on your part..

I had already distanced myself from vrt and any of the day to day goings on there months before ever even meeting fallenromeo. I was just going through the motions legally with my atturney. Pretty much most of the way through 2006 I was rarely even there, mostely to check on my personall car that weas stored there and my last customers (redg35chick) car. She was the last customer that I was involved with and I only stayed around to make sure she was getting what she paid for as a favor to her as she was all the way from Tenesee and very worried about her car.
I was already set to leave the company which I walked away from legally, resigning and took nothing with me but my cars. I never even sought any compensation for my percentage of that place, just to be rid of it and clear of any wrong doings that seemed to be just on the horizon of happening.

I never even had a thought of starting my own company at that time. I was aproached about the idea in late 2006 by a few people, some being past customers, friends, and Mark B, (the past vrt main mechanic/motor builder/tuner). Mark had left vrt, a few month earlier (for the same reason as I did) to start an auto repair place of his own.

Now, I hope this clears up a few more questions about my involvment in the company at that time.

Guys, instead of guessing, insinuating, and assuming things about me that may be harmfull, and stating it like you have the facts. Why not call me up directly and ask, or contact my actuall customers and ask them about their experience with me and RA.
I do not have enough time to sit here on this board and play your little games. I am better reached on the phone and am more than happy to field any questions anyone might have.
Once again, say what you want about vrt and the kind of company that place turned into after Mark and I l left, say all you want by all means. But...The acusations about ME are getting old.

Thank you.

 

Finally, some closure. Mr. A will get his, no doubt.

 

I like what SCC wrote in that article. Not sure of too many nationally publicated magazines that would post something like that. Nice job SCC.