Vrt.... :-(
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Wrong once again Phill, but keep trying. As soon as any foul play started, I was out of of there (for that reason). As for as makeing fake dyno sheets, that all started after we left as well. Nice try again. 
I've been right about you jokers from DAY 1!
There were never any supporting dyno charts to back up your claims at VRT... EVEN after I offered to PAY FOR THE DYNOS...
Just let it go Mr VRT/RA... You want to take claim to everything 'good' at VRT and disassociate yourself with anything bad - typical scammer move IMO...
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Wrong once again Phill, but keep trying. As soon as any foul play started, I was out of of there (for that reason). As for as makeing fake dyno sheets, that all started after we left as well. Nice try again.
Originally Posted by doug
i hate to get in the middle of these posts.. but i do recall you posting that Mr. A asked you to do questionable things and after awhile you couldn't take it and you decided to leave. So that would mean that you were there when it actually started
ALL of you east coasters (that aren't anywhere CLOSE to the situation) need to just stop throwing me into the whole VRT thing and pulling stuff out of the air and stating it as fact. Unless you have preoof that I had anything to do with any ubethical doings, than all's you are doing is guessing. And are way off base about me.
Last edited by WA2GOOD; Dec 14, 2007 at 05:03 PM.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Complete BS. I was never asked to do questionable things at that company !! Anything unethical that might have been done twords the end of the time I was leaving were ALL done behond my back, I did catch and rectafy them when I could (I have proof and could give examples). This is all the reasons that I left. I think you might be talking about an ex-employee of VRT that stated that, he posted on here and wasn't even there at the time that I was thee, nice try again.....
ALL of you east coasters (that aren't anywhere CLOSE to the situation) need to just stop throwing me into the whole VRT thing and pulling stuff out of the air and stating it as fact. Unless you have preoof that I had anything to do with any ubethical doings, than all's you are doing is guessing. And are way off base about me.
ALL of you east coasters (that aren't anywhere CLOSE to the situation) need to just stop throwing me into the whole VRT thing and pulling stuff out of the air and stating it as fact. Unless you have preoof that I had anything to do with any ubethical doings, than all's you are doing is guessing. And are way off base about me.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Complete BS. I was never asked to do questionable things at that company !! Anything unethical that might have been done twords the end of the time I was leaving were ALL done behond my back, I did catch and rectafy them when I could (I have proof and could give examples). This is all the reasons that I left. I think you might be talking about an ex-employee of VRT that stated that stuff. He posted on here about and made a thread about it. I wasn't even there at the time that all of this was going on and even when that employee worked there. Nice try again, way to get the facts strait.
ALL of you east coasters (that aren't anywhere CLOSE to the situation) need to just stop throwing me into the whole VRT thing and pulling stuff out of the air and stating it as fact. Unless you have preoof that I had anything to do with any ubethical doings, than all's you are doing is guessing. And are way off base about me.
ALL of you east coasters (that aren't anywhere CLOSE to the situation) need to just stop throwing me into the whole VRT thing and pulling stuff out of the air and stating it as fact. Unless you have preoof that I had anything to do with any ubethical doings, than all's you are doing is guessing. And are way off base about me.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
After a while some seemingly financial woes set in on a record label and the real estate company that Mr A owned. Since VRT was sort of started for a tax deduction for Mr A and a way to justify the car building hobby he did not need (at the time) to actually draw too much of an income from VRT as he made great money from his other companies. IMO, this is where it all started going bad. He seemed to be playing a bigger role in VRT and taking more control in it. He started cutting corners as much as he could, he started shorting Mark on his promised hourly work, starting hiring very cheap and questionable labor mechanics to perform the work that was way over their heads, starting taking sales away from me, etc. After seeing what was starting to go on, I knew we needed to get out of there before everything came falling down and started reflecting on me. I had several heated discussions with Mr A and everything always seemed to go right back to this, so I hate to just give up on a company that I spent alot of time, effort, blood, sweat and tears on and walk away, but I saw what was about to go on and just had to. From there it all got A LOT worse as you could imagine, just read some of the horror stories.
I hate to see a company with so much potential and the talent go to crap, but that is exactly what happened after we left. I tried to save it, help it, and even warn people. I consulted with my lawyer on all this, and that is all I could have done without being sued for slander.
I am in no way going to, nor have I ever ripped anyone off or performed any work for anybody that is not solid and repuatable.
Thank you.
Scott Bush @ Relentless Autosports LLC
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
No, I simply stated a particular car "that Mark built" (despite where) made a certain amount of power, thats it. But considering your history of "selevtive comprehension" and how you conveniently put your little twist on the way you like to interprit someones post, it is no surprise to me how you interprited it.
I frankly could care less what you believe, Mr mrc, and I would apreciate it greatly if you would refraim from mentioning me, quoteing me, and even referencing to me or my company at all, THAT would be in YOUR best interest. thanks
I frankly could care less what you believe, Mr mrc, and I would apreciate it greatly if you would refraim from mentioning me, quoteing me, and even referencing to me or my company at all, THAT would be in YOUR best interest. thanks
You have a very short memory sir. Remember page 39???
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....300155&page=39
You showed the exact same behavior towards me that you are now accusing Julian of.
Which led me to post this on page 40:https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=784
Cry me a river Scott.
Stop claiming you don't care what people think when you keep trolling in here and putting your 
(and a lot more) with your infamous spin that a lot of forum members have become familiar with for years.
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Dec 14, 2007 at 06:49 PM.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Think about what you are stateing before you post.
wether yoa are right or wrong, you are not defending anybody but hurting yourself a lil more.. let things cool down a bit first.
My suggestion is you are having a clean start, why you worrie defending work or anythign taht was done under the vRT name no matter how long ago it was... the name is just bad jsut forget about it ...move on
Given the situation with VRT, people have legitimate reasons to question and doubt the power claims/dyno numbers on cars that came out of VRT. Just because someone doesn't believe the power claims on a VRT car doesn't necessarily mean it's a personal attack against you Scott, or Mike. The lies of M. Alvarez ruined all credibility for VRT, whether you and Mike worked on the car or not. And Scott, your posts aren't helping to clarify the situation either. In this thread you posted:
and
But in another thread ( https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....30#post4815530 ) you posted:
So... why the discrepancy between your posts about the power capability of the JWT 700bb kit??? Why or how did the car from VRT make more power? You claim an extra 60whp in this thread, which is a significant difference. Which number are we supposed to believe?
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
No, that car realy DID make over 700whp. on the 700BB kit, back then.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Nope no voodoo. Not that I care, but that G made 760whp on a dynopack at 24psi, and the same car cleared well over 700whp on the Dyno Shops dynojetat 22psi, and I think in the 660-680whp range on only 20psi. In front of like 500-600 people on Stillens dyno at the Stillen Days. Maybe all those people where all under the voodoo spell too.
Look, I am not condoneing anything at all that happened at VRT and how it all went down there, at all, but get over the whole voodoo dyno thing. Getting old.
Look, I am not condoneing anything at all that happened at VRT and how it all went down there, at all, but get over the whole voodoo dyno thing. Getting old.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Nice assesment JT.
I would have to agree with this list. from my experience (driven them all but the SP kit)
I just feel that you set the numbers a little low as to when the turbo's come in, on almost all the kits, especially a couple. This is how I would have done it, but man you are almost right on what I would have put. The order is perfect, either way.
Sound performance twin GT35r ---------- 600- 1200 ??
APS Extreme ------------- 450-850
JWT 850 bb ---------- 400-850
greddy ---------- 380-700
JWT 700 bb ---------- 350-700
APS ---------- 350-650
JWT 530 bb ---------- 275-480
PE ---------- 260-450
fastest spooling
I would have to agree with this list. from my experience (driven them all but the SP kit)I just feel that you set the numbers a little low as to when the turbo's come in, on almost all the kits, especially a couple. This is how I would have done it, but man you are almost right on what I would have put. The order is perfect, either way.
Sound performance twin GT35r ---------- 600- 1200 ??
APS Extreme ------------- 450-850
JWT 850 bb ---------- 400-850
greddy ---------- 380-700
JWT 700 bb ---------- 350-700
APS ---------- 350-650
JWT 530 bb ---------- 275-480
PE ---------- 260-450
fastest spooling
So... why the discrepancy between your posts about the power capability of the JWT 700bb kit??? Why or how did the car from VRT make more power? You claim an extra 60whp in this thread, which is a significant difference. Which number are we supposed to believe?
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Dec 15, 2007 at 09:55 AM.
Cant believe I read all 43 pages, but was worth it. About 2yrs ago, TurboTim told me stories about the owner of VRT and what to expect, basically someone thats not to be trusted. He was 100% correct.
Originally Posted by dave079
Thread will be closed if the arguing doesn't stop.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
No, I simply stated a particular car "that Mark built" (despite where) made a certain amount of power, thats it. But considering your history of "selevtive comprehension" and how you conveniently put your little twist on the way you like to interprit someones post, it is no surprise to me how you interprited it.
I frankly could care less what you believe, Mr mrc, and I would apreciate it greatly if you would refraim from mentioning me, quoteing me, and even referencing to me or my company at all, THAT would be in YOUR best interest. thanks
I frankly could care less what you believe, Mr mrc, and I would apreciate it greatly if you would refraim from mentioning me, quoteing me, and even referencing to me or my company at all, THAT would be in YOUR best interest. thanks
I am in no way flaming you or trying to bash you or any of your achievements.Im actually trying to give you some very good advice. I am a very succesful business owner who has prided my business on a 100% satisfaction rating amongst our customers. The only bad thing you will hear about me is that I can be a dick at times.And most of the negative comments come from NON customers that have never recieved the MRC Motorsports customer care we provide. The rest of the negative comments come from FAN BOYS of other competing shops.
Scott, I will give you some really good advice, take it or leave it,and once again I am not trying to be a dick towards you.You need to stop and listen to at least one person on these forums sooner or later.
First thing to remember, is no one will remember your achievements as long as your failures. What this means is that you will not be remembered for building a 700hp G35 at VRT,but will only be shadowed by the entire drama that took place at VRT and your association with them,big or small.
Second thing to do, simply allow for a cool down period...Meaning, let the smoke from the VRT drama blow over.It may take a year or two.But let the dust settle and dont kindle and flames..
Lastly, do not associate yourselves with ANYTHING VRT related ever again.DOnt even mention the name VRT. As much as it hurts you to do so, you need to do this. It doesnt matter how good your work there was,youll only be associated with the bad if you bring up VRT as I stated above. Start fresh,dont rely on an old business name to get you work, cause it will do just the opposite.Heck, it may even get you shot out in L.A.
if you run accross the right person that VRT scammed out of money..Scott, as much as i break your *****, i have heard some good things about you, such as you being a nice guy and a really good driver. No one wants to see someone fail at a business.Thats why I am sincerely giving you this simple 3 step business plan to follow.Take it for what you will, however it is my most sincere and humble post towards you ever.
good luck.
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Its not arguing,its healthy debate Dave. This thread has ALOT of useful and crucial information not only for 350Z owners, but for business owners past,present and future.This thread can be used as a learning tool for all future 350Z owners, when making a decision on which shops to choose. To close this thread would, IMHO,be a disservice to the entire 350z community, and would forever bury very useful information within the my350z archives.
Originally Posted by Navygolf13
Just wondering, was that quote for SCC in their magazine in an article? That seems pretty amazing that a magazine would air all of that for the general public......
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Originally Posted by Navygolf13
Just wondering, was that quote for SCC in their magazine in an article? That seems pretty amazing that a magazine would air all of that for the general public......
Originally Posted by buzzardmountain
Because we don't know the extent of others involvement IMO......
BUT it will all come to light in the end just like VRT with their fake dyno sheets and never really posting up customers completed cars. IT all came out in the end and if others were involved that will come out too.