go-fast

see bold.........and then you let him work on your car?either you guy's are too nice or i'm not,but i would never put up with b.s. like that.he wouldn't have finished his "sing a song" reference before i lit into him and left.......and then told everyone i knew what an *** he was.


where you in shock?...like a deer in headlights?

(just trying to understand why you stayed)

IIQuickSilverII

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what a facking asshat.....

ttg35fort

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There for a while JT encouraged people to flame Japtrix. I asked Roger why he didn't respond, and he told me that he did not see PF as a threat and that there was no way it was going to survive very long once the truth came out. He was right.

doug

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JT's strategy was to get people to think he was the only option for them.. for larry it was simply.. do i want to deal with this man? or will have to trailer my car back up to GA.. cost wise its easier to deal with the bullsh!t

that was a wrong assumption on Roger's Part.. for the 2 or so years JT stole business from Japtrix.. he put Roger out of alot of business and ability to move merchandise.. i would say about $400,000 worth (parts and labor) if i had to make a quick guess with the builds he did and parts he sold..

Motormouth

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and JT probably barely made a profit.

IIQuickSilverII

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^^
which makes makes you LULZ at the fact that he then went bankrup with funkformance sacktory...basically just out of poor business management and dealing with his fockups... too many "friend" deals, etc


EDIT(to Motor - post below).
Yeah motor, dont think i don't see how he corrupted and basically trashed dreams of 350z enthusiasts
He is the one that made "DREAM THREADS" famous here

Motormouth

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but he corrupted the entire southern tuning scene. he took big jobs from other shops (remember his drift build and all that other crap he 'had in the works') as well as the small parts orders.

it's messed up!

JETPILOT

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Yes. Sharif had paid JT to install the oil baffle plate. There was no way I was going to go back up to GA to have an oil baffle plate installed when I had just been there a few weeks earlier.

The tune on my car from Forged performance was an aissue as well. Sharif tuned it to approx 450 whp at the time. He wouldn't tune it for more. Why? I have no idea. I had Greddy TT's with cams on a built motor. So I brought it to JT for a tune.

I had a problem with the way Forged Performance wired the GTM fans. The fans were wired to the fuel pump and whenever the fans were on the gas gauge was innacurate. I told Sharif about it and he didn't know what the issue was. JT couldn't figure it out what he did either. Japtrix had to rewire the fans so the fuel gauge wasn't affected and I had too pay for it again.

JETPILOT

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I stayed because it was JT's problem and he was going to fix it. I wasn't going to pay someone else AGAIN to fix something someone else was responsible for.

str8dum1

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I wonder what JT thinks of when he looks at his performance factory tattoo he has. ohh welll..

ttg35fort

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What business PF did get away from Japtrix likely was based on PF's pricing.
For example, there was one person who had a written quote from PF, but went to Japtrix with the quote and said that they would rather have the work done locally, but that Japtrix must meet PF's pricing. PF had quoted the guy a twin turbo install for $1,000. Roger was not willing to do it for that price, so the guy went to PF. A shop will not be able to keep its doors open for long working at those rates, as PF proved.

Also, I saw some of JT's posts and knew I would never do business with him. A lot of people didn't care, the just wanted cheap, and they ended up getting what they paid for.

Roger is a very humble person, and opted to compete on quality. He's still here, and has been for 18 years. PF isn't. Would Japtrix get more business if they participated more in the forum? I think so. Would getting into disputes with guys like JT help there business, I think not. I think it makes both shops look bad.

doug

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JT also told past Japtrix customers that Roger screwed their cars

buzzardmountain

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Say it ain't so.........

Motormouth

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you misunderstood.

if JT wasn't there, that guy would never have approached him with a 1k install quote and would have paid a more reasonable price for the work, resulting in work for japtrix.

it *is* possible this customer would not have been in the market otherwise, but it's doubtful. He would have just paid more to have it done right.

Chris@FsP

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Look at it this way: whatever fck ups PF caused, is now more possible business for Japtrix.

ttg35fort

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You are completely correct, and I don't dispute anything you are saying. But if one of your competitors is offering services at a significantly lower price, lower than you can afford to do it for, what do you do?

From my dealings with Japtrix, Roger explains what work is involved, what steps he takes to ensure quality, and let's you know that he is there to support you. He does not bad mouth his competitors, that's just not his nature. I didn't even learn about the example I described until long after we had become friends and I specifically asked him his thoughts on PF after JT had posted some comments in my first build thread. Even then, Roger didn't say anything negative about JT, but just stated that he did not think PF would remain in business for long because a shop cannot do work at those prices and stay in business. He thought that for them to stay in business at those prices, something was up and eventually the truth would come out. I don't think at that time he totally knew all of the shortcuts that were being taken, though. Nonetheless, he was right.

We can all speculate on what Roger should have done, or what we would have done if we were in his place, but the fact is that he has been in business for 18 years, has a very happy and loyal customer base, and continues to build great cars that people are happy with. Regardless of whether we like his business model, it is working for him and he is running his business how he thinks it should be run...

Motormouth

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or a ton more people jaded and out of the tuning scene after losing thousands of dollars, and losing faith in the honesty of the automotive scene. As Doug said, he syphoned off probably 400k worth of hard earned money, from both sides (customer and commercial market).

ttg35fort

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I just reviewed some of the threads related to PF. Notwithstanding Jzurita, Joe@sage, Tauren, Jetpilot, and some others, it does appear that PF did have quite a few happy customers. Maybe it was luck of the draw, I don't know.

It seems that the total amount of dollars lost/wasted by unhappy customers is likely going to be a fraction of the $400k amount, but still a significant amount of money. It would be interesting to have each unhappy PF customer post how much money they lost due to poor workmanship by PF, otherwise avoidable catastrophes caused by PF, etc.

IIQuickSilverII

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lol, so you are saying if you exclude the bad build threads, you are surprised to find only good builds left?

doug

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well you can't look at the ones that have come forward.. i know 1 personally who lost 2 motors and even until this day he won't say anything about JT.. come to think of it.. all of JT's big builds were failures.. if not the majority of them..

second.. all those guys that were going to Japtrix for stock block FI.. vortech powerlab, greddy, aps... then you have the people who went to JT for simple tunes.. its ALOT OF money lost..

Trust me when i tell you.. one of the cars that was done by Japtrix .. JT convinced the owner that Roger screwed up his car.. and it was best he had JT did his build.. that person had a APS TT Kit done at Roger.. when JT was done convincing him how much Roger screwed up.. he had a full build with F Con from JT.. that person alone Roger lost 20k.. and that was Rogers customer first to begin with.. now you factor in the other people who heard about Roger that never did business with him and considered him... then you factor in the people who even took the time to go to Roger to compare prices.. then you factor in the people who never heard of Roger but may have if JT hadn't been around.. you're talking ALOT of money.. not a fraction of 400k