The Build BEGINS! Gamermodz/GReddy/S&R Z goes under the knife!
07-22-2011, 10:13 AM
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I did and it's big, strong and has great feel but the Giken triple is thicker than the single and twin which is causing the slave to compress all the way without fully engaging the clutch. We were not aware of this and their slave has been used on at least 1 Giken triple (that we know of and albiet a 370Z) and it worked perfectly. So many shops are using this salve and this has never come up before but hard to know how many triples it was used on. Possibly, even though the HR and VHR use the same slave, the VHR trans has a few milimeter difference. Possible........
Joe at ZSpeed is working with us and making a thinner adapter plate for it which solves the issue.
FYI, not only am I impressed with the slave itself, I am also impressed with ZSpeed's attention and quick resolution to our issue. Absolutely awesome customer service!
Joe at ZSpeed is working with us and making a thinner adapter plate for it which solves the issue.
FYI, not only am I impressed with the slave itself, I am also impressed with ZSpeed's attention and quick resolution to our issue. Absolutely awesome customer service!
07-22-2011, 10:16 AM
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I have seen two different flywheels with the giken. One has many holes in it (maybe DE only which is the reason I am asking) and the other is completely solid. Which flywheel do you have?
I agree, I love this product and god knows we needed it! lol
07-25-2011, 06:36 PM
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Glad everything is working good now Colin!
We are still talking with OS Giken in Japan to see what is going on, If the twin and triple clutches are indeed the same height (supposed to be) it has to just be something with your set-up that is different, I am thinking they changed them since yours was purchased possibly, or maybe its the 1,000+ hp causing it
We are still talking with OS Giken in Japan to see what is going on, If the twin and triple clutches are indeed the same height (supposed to be) it has to just be something with your set-up that is different, I am thinking they changed them since yours was purchased possibly, or maybe its the 1,000+ hp causing it
07-25-2011, 06:52 PM
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Everything is perfect! Man, the clutch feels so good with this slave. The pedal is barely tighter than stock and now allows the ability to regulate the engagement of the triple giken so much better.
This is a must upgrade in my opinion for any HR/VHR regardless if their factory slave has died yet or not and definately if they put an aftermarket clutch in it.
I was hoping 08NISMOZ would have responded by now to my question of which flywheel he has.
If it was changed, it was definately just enough to make a difference.
I can't express enough how much I appreciate all of your help with this. I know it was a headache and it's nice to see a company stand behind their product with such dedication to making sure the customer is happy. Every company should employ your dedication in to their business model.
I will be in touch to keep you up to date!
This is a must upgrade in my opinion for any HR/VHR regardless if their factory slave has died yet or not and definately if they put an aftermarket clutch in it.
I was hoping 08NISMOZ would have responded by now to my question of which flywheel he has.
If it was changed, it was definately just enough to make a difference.
I can't express enough how much I appreciate all of your help with this. I know it was a headache and it's nice to see a company stand behind their product with such dedication to making sure the customer is happy. Every company should employ your dedication in to their business model.
I will be in touch to keep you up to date!
07-25-2011, 08:12 PM
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Hey sorry for the late response Gamer for some reason this thread never popped up as having any replies after me. I actually had Dynosty do all the work and I remember Hal and Eddy saying something about doing some machine work to the Zspeed HD csc because they were only compatible with a couple of other clutches like a few months ago. I have a pic of the csc installed and the clutch on but i'm not sure if you'll be able to see anything that you need. Maybe Hal can jump on and answer?
I have noticed one thing though. The clutch engagement with just normal driving is kind of high (when the pedal is almost completely let out), and when I went to the drag strip and did like 4 or 5 runs the clutch engagement was all the way at the bottom. I was thinking it was because the plates had heat up and become really sticky so the engagement was really fast. This is the first time i've driven with a triple disc clutch so it's all new to me haha
I have noticed one thing though. The clutch engagement with just normal driving is kind of high (when the pedal is almost completely let out), and when I went to the drag strip and did like 4 or 5 runs the clutch engagement was all the way at the bottom. I was thinking it was because the plates had heat up and become really sticky so the engagement was really fast. This is the first time i've driven with a triple disc clutch so it's all new to me haha
07-25-2011, 08:40 PM
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Hey sorry for the late response Gamer for some reason this thread never popped up as having any replies after me. I actually had Dynosty do all the work and I remember Hal and Eddy saying something about doing some machine work to the Zspeed HD csc because they were only compatible with a couple of other clutches like a few months ago. I have a pic of the csc installed and the clutch on but i'm not sure if you'll be able to see anything that you need. Maybe Hal can jump on and answer?
I have noticed one thing though. The clutch engagement with just normal driving is kind of high (when the pedal is almost completely let out), and when I went to the drag strip and did like 4 or 5 runs the clutch engagement was all the way at the bottom. I was thinking it was because the plates had heat up and become really sticky so the engagement was really fast. This is the first time i've driven with a triple disc clutch so it's all new to me haha
I have noticed one thing though. The clutch engagement with just normal driving is kind of high (when the pedal is almost completely let out), and when I went to the drag strip and did like 4 or 5 runs the clutch engagement was all the way at the bottom. I was thinking it was because the plates had heat up and become really sticky so the engagement was really fast. This is the first time i've driven with a triple disc clutch so it's all new to me haha
Sounds like it's very possible the triple is a bit thicker than others if they had to machine something too. Hard to tell what was machined in the picture but I do know that ZSpeeds sleeve on that slave is thick aluminum (very nice I might add). Since very little was needed to be removed from mine (about an 1/8 inch or so), it's possible it was done on the very front of the sleeve where it touches the fingers of the clutch.
Joe, I would definately send Hal a message or give him a ring. He is a very busy person but ALWAYS returns calls and messages.
08NISMO, as far as the engagement goes, the Giken Triple (and other Giken's from my understanding) seem to engage at the top. On the stock slave for me, it was at the very top. You can adjust where the "top" is via the pedal adjustment if it bothers you because you have long legs (like me) which makes your knee hit the steering wheel or something. We may have taken more off my sleeve than was taken off yours (if any was) which means my slave may release the finders sooner thus engage sooner.
As long as your clutch fully engages, I wouldn't want to screw with it especially with all the **** that has to come off to get to it, leave it alone. As for it grabbing sooner, mine does grab more when hotter but more than likely, yours did this because of the tempature of the fluid or so I would think.
I dropped my transmission (and everything that comes with that job) 3 times in a week so my opinion on how much it sucks may be inflated but I don't think so
12-28-2011, 06:39 PM
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Yes, we are basically down to a couple things left to do and we are ready. We will start getting it out on the track soon for some test and tune time while we continue to wrap it up (ie. cage, new wing, etc).
We made some other modificaitons utilizing new processes that S&R is doing now like o'ringing the heads and stuff. We also swapped the valve springs for something a little softer which allows us to unlock the phasers. This should give us much better spool and torq.
We made some other modificaitons utilizing new processes that S&R is doing now like o'ringing the heads and stuff. We also swapped the valve springs for something a little softer which allows us to unlock the phasers. This should give us much better spool and torq.
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12-29-2011, 10:14 AM
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Yes, we are basically down to a couple things left to do and we are ready. We will start getting it out on the track soon for some test and tune time while we continue to wrap it up (ie. cage, new wing, etc).
We made some other modificaitons utilizing new processes that S&R is doing now like o'ringing the heads and stuff. We also swapped the valve springs for something a little softer which allows us to unlock the phasers. This should give us much better spool and torq.
We made some other modificaitons utilizing new processes that S&R is doing now like o'ringing the heads and stuff. We also swapped the valve springs for something a little softer which allows us to unlock the phasers. This should give us much better spool and torq.
12-29-2011, 10:44 AM
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Zspeed slave is perfect. It did require a modification for the Giken Triple that Zspeed is aware of now. It is the ideal replacement. White the Giken triple and quad in the HR is a very stiff clutch, it did help with pedal feel a ton. I popped 3 stock slaves prior and this thing is holding up beautifully!
The owner of ZSpeed actually sent me a text the other day checking to make sure it was still good. Guess I should text him back.. lol
neverenough:
No problem with the head gaskets. We wanted to unlock the phasers which required softer valve springs so we had to take the heads off anyway to change them out.
The owner of ZSpeed actually sent me a text the other day checking to make sure it was still good. Guess I should text him back.. lol
neverenough:
No problem with the head gaskets. We wanted to unlock the phasers which required softer valve springs so we had to take the heads off anyway to change them out.