*** this isnt a shine item or has no relation with shine auto, it was a personal iitem from my car***


First off, let me start off by saying i really enjoy the forum, great bunch of people and really helpful and ive made some good friends.... i just find it hard selling items at times to fellow Z guys because their reactions may be unpredictable[I] when people must understand OEM is the best fitment possible, aftermarket fitment is never going to be 100%

here goes....

i acquired a Varis- style carbon fiber hood about 2-3 months ago and like many aftermarket parts fitment was like 90% but it fit pretty decent considering i took it to 2 car shows even placing at one of them....

erickim* another member of my350z was selling his type TS hood which i always wanted for a great deal so i posted up my hood for sale

the buyer came by on friday to view the hood in pasadena. i opened it and closed, knocked on it showing him the the fitment and sturdiness and quality of the hood. He said he was very interested and sunday came around and he picked up the hood so he viewed the item 2wice before purchase....

even got a positive trader rating for the hood

anyways towards the end of the week i get a call claiming the hood does not close or fitment is way off...im like really thats odd... (the Seibon type TS hood i acquired from Eric didnt even close so im probably modifying the latch to make it lock and the Seibon hood had a killer gap which eric threw on pins to subsidize the gap *after market items dont always fit correctly but the odd thing was my car with the Varis style carbon hood fit pretty decent compared to my Seibon hood which didnt even close at all but given that i bought a 2nd hand item and bought it "as is" from the seller .. so i was like maybe you have to play with it a bit but because it fit on my car pretty decent... he asked if i can talk to Eric and get a refund for his hood them refund him the money for my hood... if i were a d1ck id be too bad lates ... but i finally got a hold of Eric and asked about the money and the whole refund thing he said unfortunately he used the money.

keep in mind like many other people (believe me i asked around) they said too bad with me, im not a d1ck, i wanted to compramise so i told him honestly eric doesnt have the money but unlike most people who would leave you hanging im willing to meet you in the middle, compensate you in some other way whether i were to give you another item or even give you some cash but if he feels jipped for an item im willing to do something in between huge break on a kit or whatever.... help fix it etc.....

point is hypothetically im willing to compensate you somehow which many people feel that items are sold "as is"... i was willing to do something in return

-like think of it as buying shoes having them for a week and returning them-



* viewed the item twice before purchasing
* had the item for a week
* gave me a positive iTRADER rating
* i was even willing to compensate or provide a service to him even though i should have no obligation to when it is a 2nd hand item that should be sold "as is"
* after market parts dont always fit 100%


looks like it fit and closed here....




and now i get these texts saying how i fcked him over and screwed him which were followed by a "threat"....

dood come on now threatening me wont make matters any better we are in a small car community and running into each other would be inevitable why would i screw you look at the factors above

didnt want to put you on blast but i feel that if my car were to get bashed or whatever you might do id like other Z people to know the consequences of some irrational people's actions when they sell items

it honestly seems like you just probably had 2nd thoughts of the style of the item you probably werent feeling it and just wanted to return it, if you really wanted it you'd make it fit, i really want the seibon hood i have now im trying to make it fit somehow


i was willing to negoiate something but the threatening thing just really struck a wrong chord in me

 

Saw the hood in person, the fitment wasn't bad at all. It wasn't noticable and it was good enough to pass. Aftermarket products aren't 100% guaranteed to fit like the OEM's do. Why get aftermarket if your going to complain about it and want a refund?

I was there when the guy was checking it out and Ben's been telling me that he was going to sell his hood.

I have seen Eric's hood also. I can vouch that the fitment was horrible, but the hoodpins did a good job to hold it down and somewhat fix the gaps.

 

If you check out the item twice... it's sold "as is". I've bought stuff from ppl on here and afterwards I'm like wtf... unless it's something REALLY off of if they lied about it... it's sold "as is". If I were the buyer in this case, I'd mess around with the hood a little bit, most aftermarket hoods just dont fit right. Look at the size of the sucker.

 

It's used parts from a private seller, not from a shop. So obviously the term "sold as is" is key here. Sorry to say, but it's true. The guy looked at it, saw it on the car agreed to buy it and that's it. If he's having fitment issues, unfortunately that's his problem. Maybe the buyer's car was in a front-end wreck?

 

If he's a member of this forum you should post his screen name......

 

Don't worry about it Ben. Everyone cannot be pleased and knowing how cool of a person you are...I know you did not misrepresent the product. Based on what you have stated I would say the buyer is being irrational and asking for too much. I know if I looked at a used hood twice and then purchased it... I wouldn't cry if the fitment wasn't perfect.

 

dang. that sucks. the hood u had fitted great man. i dunno why that guy is tripping.

plus like u said...he checked it out twice and he bought it. its out of your hands now.

good luck with it

 

don't worry about it. I dont' know you or how you are so i'm not biased with what i'm typing. If a person looked at my product in PERSON, liked it, took it home, decided he didn't like it later, that's his fault. Once a person took a product home, especially things like hoods or anything that can flaw up, i'm not taking it back. He could of cracked, nicked it, scratched it a bit, ..you just never know.

I can understand if he never saw it in person and bought it over the internet but in this case, you didn't do anything wrong and are going beyond of what a seller should do. Maybe you are too nice which is why you are being taken advantage of.

 

who would want to threaten ben with a sig like his?? idiot..

 

Ben, why'd you have to tell everyone i'm threatening you?!


But seriously kidding aside, people (like I am as well) who buys used parts needs to stop being picky and know what they're buying.

If you want to complain and rant about imperfections, just save up for a bnew.

Or maybe the buyer can just chime in.

 

+2

 

Thats just retarded! The buyer should chime in to this thread and justify his reaction publically.

 

you get some weirdos everywhere, it's just not the forums.

sometimes, installing the hood can cause misfitment. by this i mean, its not the hood itself. either the other latch is over tighted than the other vise versa. i've always trusted seibon as a company as far as fitment issues, not just for the Z's.

only d1ck move is see here was him asking for his money back. all used items are obviously sold as is, especially when you get a chance to review it over multiple times. thats unless you state it otherwise in some circumstances.

 

the guy had several chances to back out of buying you're hood. He clearly knew what he was getting and had to have thought about it before purchasing or he would never of come back a second time. buyers remorse is on him... who does he think we are Macy's or something. the whole purpose of private classifieds is to try to land a great deal.. there is a little risk involved in that.. such as an item not being perfect or fitting perfect. you didn't lie to him and it seems he had full disclosure so if he wanted safety he should of paid full retail and bought it from a vendor who offers returns. he should be happy that he got the deal that he did. don't waste you're time compromising with him you did nothing wrong.

 

since this is a clearly a call out thread.

detective larry had to go at it.

my350z.com ID:
wynd d z33

 

appreciate the feedback and hearing me out guys, i didnt want to put him on blast but once i got this text last night it kind of killed my mood a bit.... [ well thats f***ed up didnt think you'll screw someone like that but whatever then i have to do what i got to do......] were his exact text word for word

like what am i going to expect my car getting keyed,stolen,bashed or some younger guy going to kick my a$$ or something ?? with words like that, you dont know what to expect or think nowadays its like dood ..... WTH, with a response and attitude like that i felt it was a bit uncalled for and irrational. i was willing to work something out...... if ever even pay him gradually back or something but after hearing your guys' responses i guess that i didnt do anything wrong

 

Man, you've done nothing wrong... it was a forward, up front, honest deal. Plus you got the backing of the community on this one...

 

I don't want to be an a-hole but samething happened to me before. My experience was a ViS carbon fiber hood for a 89-91 civic hatch (EF) which fit perfect on my car but on the buyers car it didn't fit quite right with the latch holding on and having to pull under the latch for it to come loose. He left with it on saying he would just fix it later, but after awhile he wanted his money back (3 weeks later). I already bought a new EF9 CF hood so I couldn't give him the money back. I feel bad for both parties.

 

don't let this sour your community spirit, it really sounds to me like the kid didn't know how to properly fit a hood.

it takes TIME to line up a hood right and where it fits great on one 350z, it might not on another (I have seriously seen this)...

did the buyer not drill out his hood latches so he could line it up? who knows. maybe you can still salvage this kid's reputation by attempting to help him fit it... if you are still trying to be nice, cause if he is threatening ME, I'd flip out.

I wish I was closer because I want that hood and that is some good fitment for an aftermarket CF hood

oh wells

 

he has a DIFFERENT setup than the buyer and didn't think that it might not fit and it's somehow the sellers fault?

he said he had his strut bar adjusted up higher because of his plenum and he is yelling at yOU?

CASE CLOSED - BUYERS FAULT