350z orrrr s2000?
06-06-2007, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero
The S was able to keep up back when the Z's had VQ35DE's. The "bump in HP," which I'm assuming is the revup, wasn't really worth anything as it lost tq and it was slightly slower than the non-revup engines. It was sort of a marketing tactic. Now that the Z has a new engine, VQ35HR, the S cannot keep up any more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZyp8rfzazg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZyp8rfzazg
So thats a mute point.
Up until this year it could.
06-06-2007, 07:59 PM
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All you said was that the S will keep up with a Z. You did not specify which Z, so I assumed you were talking about all the 350Zs. Hence, my above post is still a valid one.
BTW, the S2000 became a 2.2 Liter from a 2.0 Liter in 2004. Its horsepower stayed the same at 240, but the tq went up from 153 to 162. The slight decrease in hp down to 237 was from a new SAE rating for measuring HP.
At any rate, the S and the Z (DE engines) are comparable. On the predominantly straight trackss, the Z will edge out the S. On infinitely curvy tracks, the S will edge out the Z. Choosing what you like between the two is all personal prefence.
BTW, the S2000 became a 2.2 Liter from a 2.0 Liter in 2004. Its horsepower stayed the same at 240, but the tq went up from 153 to 162. The slight decrease in hp down to 237 was from a new SAE rating for measuring HP.
At any rate, the S and the Z (DE engines) are comparable. On the predominantly straight trackss, the Z will edge out the S. On infinitely curvy tracks, the S will edge out the Z. Choosing what you like between the two is all personal prefence.
06-06-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero
All you said was that the S will keep up with a Z. You did not specify which Z, so I assumed you were talking about all the 350Zs. Hence, my above post is still a valid one.
BTW, the S2000 became a 2.2 Liter from a 2.0 Liter in 2004. Its horsepower stayed the same at 240, but the tq went up from 153 to 162. The slight decrease in hp down to 237 was from a new SAE rating for measuring HP.
At any rate, the S and the Z (DE engines) are comparable. On the predominantly straight trackss, the Z will edge out the S. On infinitely curvy tracks, the S will edge out the Z. Choosing what you like between the two is all personal prefence.
BTW, the S2000 became a 2.2 Liter from a 2.0 Liter in 2004. Its horsepower stayed the same at 240, but the tq went up from 153 to 162. The slight decrease in hp down to 237 was from a new SAE rating for measuring HP.
At any rate, the S and the Z (DE engines) are comparable. On the predominantly straight trackss, the Z will edge out the S. On infinitely curvy tracks, the S will edge out the Z. Choosing what you like between the two is all personal prefence.
Going to a 2.2 liter didn't do anything to make it faster just easier for DD.
But yes the two cars are comparable.
06-06-2007, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 05-Z
I had a heavily modified S for almost 6 years. It would (and probably still can) outhandle most cars on the road.
I've had the Z for almost 2 years, and overall I like it better.
I've had the Z for almost 2 years, and overall I like it better.
What makes you prefer the Z.
I'm the other way around. I like my S2000 better than the Z because its lighter, is a drop top, a lot rarer, and it takes more skill to drive I think.
06-06-2007, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by r_seng
kill this guy before he turns.
i have always driven my friends S, althought i liked it, the Z overall is a much better driver oriented machine IMO.
i have always driven my friends S, althought i liked it, the Z overall is a much better driver oriented machine IMO.
Its also no where near as raw but thats just my opinion lol
06-06-2007, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Combat350z
ALthough the Z is great it is not anywhere near as driver oriented. Every single control you need for the S is at your fingertips, its smaller and reacts a lot faster to driver input. You have to know your limits to push the S where as the Z is a lot easier to correct mistakes.
Its also no where near as raw but thats just my opinion lol
Its also no where near as raw but thats just my opinion lol
06-06-2007, 08:54 PM
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I almost buy an S2000, a couple years ago. I walk into Honda dealer after reading many article about the S2000. Before, I decided to buy it....I tell the saleman I want a test drive.
Right when I get inside the S2000, I changed my mind. There's absolutly nothing to look at....its like a Civic with leather seat.
From having an Evo 8, I learned my lesson. Despite how fast a car is, and how well it handle,...you WILL spend most of the time INSIDE it and driving it UNDER traffic laws. So, to me, it really comes down to how does the car make you feels inside it. How does it make you feels when you stop at the redlight, How does it feels to be stuck inside the car during traffic hours and morning rush, How does it feels when you just simply sit inside it.
I like simplicity, but S2000 interior is not "simplicity"....it's "boring".
Right when I get inside the S2000, I changed my mind. There's absolutly nothing to look at....its like a Civic with leather seat.
From having an Evo 8, I learned my lesson. Despite how fast a car is, and how well it handle,...you WILL spend most of the time INSIDE it and driving it UNDER traffic laws. So, to me, it really comes down to how does the car make you feels inside it. How does it make you feels when you stop at the redlight, How does it feels to be stuck inside the car during traffic hours and morning rush, How does it feels when you just simply sit inside it.
I like simplicity, but S2000 interior is not "simplicity"....it's "boring".
06-06-2007, 08:55 PM
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That's one thing that bothers me. All these people talk about how the S is more driver oriented and harder to drive blah blah blah.
Most of these people can't drive for ****. So why do they want a harder car to drive?
BTW, post more pics of that hot S2000, please.
Most of these people can't drive for ****. So why do they want a harder car to drive?
BTW, post more pics of that hot S2000, please.
06-06-2007, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Combat350z
I'm the other way around. I like my S2000 better than the Z because its lighter, is a drop top, a lot rarer, and it takes more skill to drive I think.
Really!? In KS, S2000 is everywhere...but not 350Z
06-06-2007, 08:59 PM
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i've only heard from my honda head of a friend that the AP1 was hard to drive compared to AP2. this was understandable to me because he came from a DC2 GSR. totally different driving experience
06-06-2007, 09:06 PM
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I almost buy an S2000, a couple years ago. I walk into Honda dealer after reading many article about the S2000. Before, I decided to buy it....I tell the saleman I want a test drive.
Right when I get inside the S2000, I changed my mind. There's absolutly nothing to look at....its like a Civic with leather seat.
From having an Evo 8, I learned my lesson. Despite how fast a car is, and how well it handle,...you WILL spend most of the time INSIDE it and driving it UNDER traffic laws. So, to me, it really comes down to how does the car make you feels inside it. How does it make you feels when you stop at the redlight, How does it feels to be stuck inside the car during traffic hours and morning rush, How does it feels when you just simply sit inside it.
I like simplicity, but S2000 interior is not "simplicity"....it's "boring".
Right when I get inside the S2000, I changed my mind. There's absolutly nothing to look at....its like a Civic with leather seat.
From having an Evo 8, I learned my lesson. Despite how fast a car is, and how well it handle,...you WILL spend most of the time INSIDE it and driving it UNDER traffic laws. So, to me, it really comes down to how does the car make you feels inside it. How does it make you feels when you stop at the redlight, How does it feels to be stuck inside the car during traffic hours and morning rush, How does it feels when you just simply sit inside it.
I like simplicity, but S2000 interior is not "simplicity"....it's "boring".
I removed the soft top and bought the hard top, I enjoyed the hatchback interior.
Traffic sucks, and still does even with the Z.
06-06-2007, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 05-Z
It was designed purposely to be boring and functional, look at the speedo and you can quickly figure out RPM's. The beauty....is the simplicity.
I removed the soft top and bought the hard top, I enjoyed the hatchback interior.
Traffic sucks, and still does even with the Z.
I removed the soft top and bought the hard top, I enjoyed the hatchback interior.
Traffic sucks, and still does even with the Z.
06-06-2007, 09:27 PM
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honestly....the s2000 is really hard to compare to the Z because it all has to do with drivers. stock for stock.....with the same driver, the Z will win. but look at chris' freaking track times (3hree5ive0ero). ive seem him drive and hes definately one of the better ones on the road, which goes to show that his 1/4 mile time is only a couple tenths off from a boosted s2k running 5-6 pounds of boost!
if deciding between the 2, definately just go for what you like better and your plans for the car.
if deciding between the 2, definately just go for what you like better and your plans for the car.
06-07-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 3hree5ive0ero
That's one thing that bothers me. All these people talk about how the S is more driver oriented and harder to drive blah blah blah.
Most of these people can't drive for ****. So why do they want a harder car to drive?
BTW, post more pics of that hot S2000, please.
Most of these people can't drive for ****. So why do they want a harder car to drive?
BTW, post more pics of that hot S2000, please.
It takes more work to drive it fast. Not taking anything away from the Z but it is easier to drive.
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Originally Posted by norapat01
Really!? In KS, S2000 is everywhere...but not 350Z
06-07-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Combat350z
Haha yea come to DFW and EVERYONE has them haha. Like I see easily like 6+ a day on one stretch of road but I've gone a wk or so w/o seeing another S.