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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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please explain how you made so much more power on the same boost level compared to this graph, that you posted in the other thread?

https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....7&d=1151809973


Not calling BS, just wondering where you get your magic, I want some

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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Here are some Dyno Dynamics UN-CORRECTED HP numbers.These nubers are straight up Dyno Dynamics numbers, with ZERO correction applied to "simulate" Dyno Jet numbers.This was the topic of debate with a N/A car a while back that made 314 whp corrected and the correction came into play as a point of debate.Just so there is no debate my car made 592 whp with NO CORRECTION APPLIED. Trolls need not apply

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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
please explain how you made so much more power on the same boost level compared to this graph, that you posted in the other thread?

https://my350z.com/forum/attachment....7&d=1151809973


Not calling BS, just wondering where you get your magic, I want some

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Those numbers were the car running a sub 10 a/F ratio all across the board, spitting fuel from the exhaust. We leaned it out to about 12.0 getting into boost and rode a low 11.3 a/F ratio across the board.
The car also picked up some knock and the UTEC took out timing across the board as a result. The knock is comming from the APS exhaust that needs to be re-adjusted.
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Those numbers were the car running a sub 10 a/F ratio all across the board, spitting fuel from the exhaust. We leaned it out to about 12.0 getting into boost and rode a low 11.3 a/F ratio across the board.
The car also picked up some knock and the UTEC took out timing across the board as a result. The knock is comming from the APS exhaust that needs to be re-adjusted.
impressive, took out 1 A/F point and gained 100whp...insane!!!

did you double the timing as well?

no, really, can you post your graph with the A/F displayed? very interested, not doubting you at all, I am making some DRASTIC changes on my setup and your background here is very interesting to me

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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
impressive, took out 1 A/F point and gained 100whp...insane!!!

did you double the timing as well?

no, really, can you post your graph with the A/F displayed? very interested, not doubting you at all, I am making some DRASTIC changes on my setup and your background here is very interesting to me

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Now that you are being sarcastic, I feel as if your calling BS on me...Unlike others on this board that make some bogus claims to promote sales of their products, and never back it up when called out, I will back up every last piece of information I can.
Perhaps my motor is just built with top of the line parts and by someone who actually knows what their doing with over 17 years of actual drag racing experience..Dave Locallo of Headgames has done headwork for some of the top drag racers in the country for years now.Does it durprise you that his work actually made power?Cause his heads were on the 8 second Performance Motorsports car that made over 1300whp...Anyhow, here is a Dyno depicting my Boost pressure, and A/F ratio..Perhaps you will next doubt my $50,000 dyno and the way it reads boost and A/F next...

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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Who is this?Which TT kit you go with?

I ended up going with Greddy twins. My names Luke Snyder. I have an apointment with you guys in 3 weeks for a NA UTEC tune but need to change it to a TT tune
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Now that you are being sarcastic, I feel as if your calling BS on me...Unlike others on this board that make some bogus claims to promote sales of their products, and never back it up when called out, I will back up every last piece of information I can.
Perhaps my motor is just built with top of the line parts and by someone who actually knows what their doing with over 17 years of actual drag racing experience..Dave Locallo of Headgames has done headwork for some of the top drag racers in the country for years now.Does it durprise you that his work actually made power?Cause his heads were on the 8 second Performance Motorsports car that made over 1300whp...Anyhow, here is a Dyno depicting my Boost pressure, and A/F ratio..Perhaps you will next doubt my $50,000 dyno and the way it reads boost and A/F next...
maybe I didn't make it clear enough that i wasn't being sarcastic... so, before you turn into mr. tough guy, realize that I am seriously inquiring here, not called BS, not "calling you out"...just want to know if you are willing to "share" some of your expereince here with the aps tt kit...

I thought that my post was very respectful, with a bit of joking in good taste... too bad you had to take it as an attack

Thanks for sharing

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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Now that you are being sarcastic, I feel as if your calling BS on me...Unlike others on this board that make some bogus claims to promote sales of their products, and never back it up when called out, I will back up every last piece of information I can.
Perhaps my motor is just built with top of the line parts and by someone who actually knows what their doing with over 17 years of actual drag racing experience..Dave Locallo of Headgames has done headwork for some of the top drag racers in the country for years now.Does it durprise you that his work actually made power?Cause his heads were on the 8 second Performance Motorsports car that made over 1300whp...Anyhow, here is a Dyno depicting my Boost pressure, and A/F ratio..Perhaps you will next doubt my $50,000 dyno and the way it reads boost and A/F next...


damn thats some nice power range.. all the way! ill be happy with 500rwhp corrected.. please thank you
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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it seems that the head job really opened it up! i mean damn.. that is ridiculous power at low boost..
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
585 Dyno Dynamics uncorrected whp

Now compare runs in 3rd, 4th and 5th gears and come back with hp numbers....
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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Oh Squirt! Those are some sweet numbers! The ride to Jersey will be so worth it. You gonna have that monster with on the 22nd? Lookin forward to peepin that setup.
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanners
Now compare runs in 3rd, 4th and 5th gears and come back with hp numbers....
The gear ratio on my Dyno Dynamics Dyno does not make a difference.This is the difference between the Inertia type dyno like the Dyno jet, in which your spinning a 3000lb roller vs. the Load Based type dyno like the Dyno Dynamics and Mustang dynos. I can do a pull in 3rd-4th or 5th and there will be little variance..I did all my pulls in 4th gear FWIW, 5th gear will actually read a bit higher but not much.
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
maybe I didn't make it clear enough that i wasn't being sarcastic... so, before you turn into mr. tough guy, realize that I am seriously inquiring here, not called BS, not "calling you out"...just want to know if you are willing to "share" some of your expereince here with the aps tt kit...

I thought that my post was very respectful, with a bit of joking in good taste... too bad you had to take it as an attack

Thanks for sharing

-TODD
You did sound like you were busting my ***** for a sec there..Sorry if I came off defensive, I am from NJ you know..
I can say this: before we pulled 490 on 93 octane on the same dyno at like 13.5-14 psi ish. This was on the built bottom end and stock APS down pipes with the APS 2.5" test pipes and exhaust.
Since then we outfitted it with the APS 3.5" down pipes and 3" exhaust. Did a full valve job, with a full port and polish job by Headgames and ported and polished the lower intake runners, and topped it off with a set of JWT cams which moved the power curve lower in the RPM band and allowed the car to actually make power over 6000rpm's unlike before where power fell of drastically at 6000rpm's.
The motor is so darn efficient now its not even funny.The car spools up like theres no tomorow and wants to jump off the dyno.I literally leave 30ft burn markes in 3rd gear now when Im on the street!!
I can not say it was one particular thing that made the power but a combination of all of the above.
I could not believe the power myself, I actually had to do it like a dozen times to beleive it..
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that thing is pissed off!! 12 psi on 93 octane!! 670hp! stock size valves and a street port..Jullian you are my hero!
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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That is freakin sick! Very nice work, awesome numbers. I'm ready to see the track times
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the peak number on this sheet is only 7hp off the race gas tune that PM seen on the street car, when it was going 10.30's..but this port was not as heavily massaged as MRC's. We seen 140rwhp with the head package on there dyno. Some one more savy then me could probably look and find that dyno graph and post it here. I think they made 680, on C16 with that set up.
And I think Philthy's car made similar power as well..with the set up being preety close in comparison.
Todd might or might not sound skeptical but I think the results are preety typical.
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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 11:40 PM
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Those are incredible numbers!!!

I am planning to TT my car soon and this is definately an option

I know that you are using a nonsleeved stock block. But how would a sleeved 3.8L block affect those numbers?

And is there any difference in the head work done by Headgames and the head done by Cosworth?
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Originally Posted by discom
Those are incredible numbers!!!

I am planning to TT my car soon and this is definately an option

I know that you are using a nonsleeved stock block. But how would a sleeved 3.8L block affect those numbers?

And is there any difference in the head work done by Headgames and the head done by Cosworth?
Dave at Headgames is a custom Artist IMO...I have no experience with VQ heads from Cosworth so I can not say...
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Originally Posted by HeadGames
the peak number on this sheet is only 7hp off the race gas tune that PM seen on the street car, when it was going 10.30's..but this port was not as heavily massaged as MRC's. We seen 140rwhp with the head package on there dyno. Some one more savy then me could probably look and find that dyno graph and post it here. I think they made 680, on C16 with that set up.
And I think Philthy's car made similar power as well..with the set up being preety close in comparison.
Todd might or might not sound skeptical but I think the results are preety typical.
Dave , also keep in mind their Turbos were PE turbos and are alot smaller and less efficient as the APS ones were using. Looks like we found a real "Sweet Spot" with the engine components and flow of the heads. You are once again MY BESTEST FWEND... You will be doing all of our head packages from now on.Quality work by someone with background and experience pays!!!
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Originally Posted by HeadGames
Todd might or might not sound skeptical but I think the results are preety typical.
wasn't skeptical, just wanted an explanataion as to how the power jumped up over 100rwhp on the same boost level..is that an unfair question?

I have some pretty decked out heads as well, we made 635rwhp on 14psi, with hardly any timing, very conservative tune...I know it is possible

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