I want cam phasing. Another few HP left on the table for us NA guys. Jermaine told me last summer that is was coming...

 

The GUI will look nice and sell more UTECs, but it is just a visual. The brains of the UTEC are still the same, and I like it!!!!

I woud like to se an enhance temp correction tables. Currecttly, thereis no scaling between different temp correction points. It is either at that value or not......some scaling in there would be most useful!!!

 

Come on Julian. You're reading too much into my post. MY ONLY interest in the new GUI is the fact that resolution will increase. I have NO issues with my UTEC. ZERO. I mention resolution and the limp mode issues as a problem with other people's UTECs. Not with mine and not one has anything to do with the other. I was merely listing a couple reasons why I'd go with a VPRO....obviously 32x32 is better than 10x10. I have yet to read any issue with limp mode in the HKS...I doubt I ever will. The factory ECU is out of the picture when you throw the VPRO into the mix. Furthermore....I never said a word about my degree having anything to do with tuning. I mentioned to support my claim that I know what resolution is. Understand?

Let me say it again. MY UTEC HAS ZERO ISSUES. I don't care what the GUI looks like. I pay people to work on my car now (I make enough to sit on my a$$ and watch). What do I care what the GUI looks like. Just look at my ride...she looks bone stock. The last thing on my mind is looks. I'm all about performance. And that is my interest in the new GUI....strictly performance. Double the resolution would make me keep the UTEC. As for Jermaine not tuning anything at SGP...take it up with Mark. He told me all about it. Either he can fabricate some detailed stories or he's spitting the truth. And I have never known Mark to blow smoke - EVER.

 

Going with a Windows based GUI vs. a Hyperterminal GUI will result in more resolution. The UTEC is a mini computer....which has the potential for many different things. You don't need better hardware at this point. Just better firmware.

 

Im confused Old School, if you dont work on your car. Why do you even care what it looks like. Is your tuner telling you he does not like the UTEC and thats why you want to change.

I for one like the UTEC, it has done everything i need of it. No problems since i have had it. And its been over a year. Sure i would like a better GUI, but i work in the IT field and enjoy a well writen GUI.

Later
Todd

 

I have yet to see a UTEC cause a car to go into LIMP MODE.Where did you read this? To date I have sold and tuned many UTEC's and have yet to see a car go into limp mode..
As far as Jermaine tuning you car, Im only stating facts that I remember Jermaine was supposed to go to SGP a while back, but never did go.He may have went since them, I honestly do not know,Im not his wife..
As far as SGP goes, last time I heard on the forums they were not really selling or pushin UTEC's but mainly promoting the F-Con. Nice unit, however not everyone will need it or benifiet from it..
I still dont see why you need a Better GUI if you do not tune your car, and your car is running fine.

 

he is hoping that the new GUI will allow to get even more than the hypertherminal interface since you can have more comands and options in a windowsbased interface(besides it being more easier to tune), so he can maybe squeeze more power(specially for high whp Zs)

Then again as you said, he has no issues so why all says he needs it makes no sense .

 

Guys, I'm typing the same thing over and over.

"The last thing on my mind is looks. I'm all about performance. And that is my interest in the new GUI....strictly performance. Double the resolution would make me keep the UTEC."

I want MORE RESOLUTION for more precise control. THAT IS ALL! You don't have to tune your own UTEC (as in me not tuning it, my tuner tuning it) to want more out of it. Like I said, I will not be using the GUI (Mark @ SGP will)...all I want is a higher resolution for better control over the engine.


As for limp mode....do a search Julian. I'm looking at everyone's issues (big or small), so that I will not make the same mistakes or have the same problems. Limp mode was something I saw more than once. Its out there, just search. Mark is not trying to sell me something I don't need. He told me exactly what the UTEC is capable of. I did alot of research before I purchased one and they are great units. I want to minimize the hic-ups when building my car and this was one of the first things I wanted to know.

So back to the subject.....release date for the new GUI is when?

 

I don't care what the GUI looks like.

I am interested in the resolution that the windows based GUI will offer. Get it now? More resolution = more precise control

 

Yes, doesn't anyone have a confirmed date yet? My build will be complete in April/May and I don't want to have to tune twice.

 

Old School> why are you sooo concerned with the GUI man, give it up...






ha ha - j/k man

 

My understanding is that the UTEC GUI won't offer more "resolution" as the resolution of the UTEC is very good and it does a great job of interpolating between load sites. What I understand to be coming is a greater number of load sites - which will make it easier to setup a tune.

Some may call that resolution, but basically, if you have your UTEC dialed-in, it will interpolate between the load sites to make sure that you don't have unexpected fuel/timing issues.

 

So basically you're saying, not a better/safer tune but an easier tune?

 

Any body know if there is going to be any hardware change on the UTEC? or only will be a software upgrade?

If only will be a software upgrade, a todays UTEC will be able to be upgraded?

 

I think more load sites = more resolution. My understanding also was that the current character based GUI practically limited how much information could be displayed / edited at once, thereby limiting access to more "resolution" from a user interface standpoint. So the new GUI removes this barrier and unleashes the ability to specify many more additional load sites.

If you can specify load sites in a finely granular manner then you can more finely tune the car at varying loads rather than relying on interpolation, which I assume is a linear formula taking data from the two closest fully specified load sites.

That sounds like a better tune to me...

Everyone so far has said that this will be a firmware/software upgrade and current hardware will remain unchanged. I have also been told that the new Delta units are for 4 cyl applications only. That said, I haven't seen any official post directly from TurboXS on the matter.

If they would officially declare the upgrade path, then it would remove much of the hesitation I have in getting a unit today (other than my reluctance to try to get it to fit in my G35)...

 

So at the moment there is no project about changing the hardware of the ZUTEC??

I heard something about the Delta unit, as you said, that was in development, and it sounded to me like new hardware, but if you say that by now there w'ont be changes in the hardware, I have green light for buying it now!!!!

 

i dont think there is any need for it yet as software/firware wise they have still not hit the peak of the capabilities of the utecs hardware so far.

 

Maybe i confused here. So your saying the resolution is increased. So are they adding more load columns? If not, wouldnt it still be the same columns to tune the engine with. I thought the resolution just made it possible so you could see the full column at one time. Right now you see the top part and not the bottom when you go in to tune. You have to change the top values then switch over to the bottom side and change them.

I could be totally wrong here, if so please correct me.

Later
Todd

 

That's right (couldn't have said it better)....Todd read this...it'll answer your questions.

For a minute, I thought I was typing Chinese. No one understood what I was after or why I was interested in the windows based GUI. lol. it was starting to drive me nuts! lol.

 

Resolution = more cells in the table. That's all. That's the standard definition of "resolution" in the tuning world. Just as a higher resolution PC monitor means more pixels per square inch (which, if you look at pixels as an x by y grid, then you'd just got a table just like a UTEC map is a table).

TXS suggested a higher resolution in their tables as a possible upgrade. They also suggested there would be a new GUI. These two features are 100% distinct from each other. I just wanted to point that out cuz a few folks seem to think they are related.

I have not heard which dimension we will get higher resolution within. I would think that the RPM column would be the best place to start for increasing resolution along a scale/axis/dimension. Right now the UTEC Map is about 40x11, or 40 rpm data points across 11 load columns (including the "0" idle column). With 250 rpm increments between rows, that gives a Z user about 27 usable rpm data points to configure across the 11 load columns. So technically the Z only has a 27x11 resolution for tuning right now.

The Load Columns are mapped very well against the OEM VE tables. I'm not even sure how useful it would immediately be to dissect the Load into higher resolution columns (eg. 0 - 0.5, 0.6 - 1.0, etc). Especially for NA applications.

Now, if you were to double the resolution of the RPM scale into say, 125rpm increments, then that doubles the Z's usable table resolution from 27x11 to 54x11. That's even better than if your car made 10,000 rpms and could use the entire table today!

Adding resolution to the RPM scale would enable much smoother mapping offsets and graduated changes towards tuning goals, resulting in fewer map spikes, reduced tuning flatspots, and more control over the map.

Of course, a higher resolution across both scales would be beneficial too. But if I had to pick one, I'd choose a higher resolution RPM scale.

Would a higher resolution Load scale even work? I guess it depends on how fast the UTEC can read and interpret the MAF/MAP signal, and to what resolution the signal can be dissected at the read speed. Anything is possible I suppose!


Me personally, I'm looking forward to the GUI to get more within-task tuning tools. Ie, I don't have to log in one application, then copy and paste the log data into an analyzer, then parse it manually, then form a map in another application, and then take that map and port it back into the original application (the UTEC). A one-stop shop for some of this would be great, and I can't wait!

And PS: The Delta UTEC is out, and it is not meant for the Z.



-My 0.02