Berk Metalic HFC and CEL
Originally Posted by SMarinoZR
I've got the same two codes (0420 & 0430) with my fast intentions metallic cats. I even installed two new O2 sensors during the install. It appears that during warm up the codes are set and if they are repeatable in three restarts a check engine light appears. Looking at the service manual and how the factory cats are designed, I can see how the codes are recorded. Letting the car warm up more before starting out and going on the highway does prevent the check engine light but the codes are still there.
What the solution is? ..... I'm not sure yet.
What the solution is? ..... I'm not sure yet.
Originally Posted by SMarinoZR
I've got the same two codes (0420 & 0430) with my fast intentions metallic cats. I even installed two new O2 sensors during the install. It appears that during warm up the codes are set and if they are repeatable in three restarts a check engine light appears. Looking at the service manual and how the factory cats are designed, I can see how the codes are recorded. Letting the car warm up more before starting out and going on the highway does prevent the check engine light but the codes are still there.
What the solution is? ..... I'm not sure yet.
What the solution is? ..... I'm not sure yet.
Same here... I reset the codes and it only lasts for about a hundred miles.
Originally Posted by SMarinoZR
I checked the voltage outputs on the O2 sensors yesterday and discovered that the 300 metallic F.I. HF cats don't do much "cleansing" of the exhaust gases. The precat O2 voltage was almost the same as the after cat O2 voltage (0.40 mV diff) I wish I had tested the stock system to see what that would be.
I'm going to try some non-foulers and retest to see how much difference there will be.
I'm going to try some non-foulers and retest to see how much difference there will be.
Originally Posted by SMarinoZR
I checked the voltage outputs on the O2 sensors yesterday and discovered that the 300 metallic F.I. HF cats don't do much "cleansing" of the exhaust gases. The precat O2 voltage was almost the same as the after cat O2 voltage (0.40 mV diff) I wish I had tested the stock system to see what that would be.
I'm going to try some non-foulers and retest to see how much difference there will be.
I'm going to try some non-foulers and retest to see how much difference there will be.
was that hot or cold ? and i mean hot like after a good 20 minute drive .
My car threw the cat codes with the Berk's HFC's also. This happened twice after I reset it each time. I replaced the stock cats with the same O2 sensors and the codes did not come back (I drove a few thousand miles with the stock cats back on), so I dont think the O2 sensor was damaged. I did have the FI HFC's on for some time prior to the Berk's and didn't throw a code with those, but I can't remember exactly how long I had them on for.
I think either these cats flow very well leading to the codes, or the 07+ ECU is much more sensitive. Right now I am running the FI HFC's with the Nismo exhaust. Haven't driven enough to see any codes yet.
ncdoc
I think either these cats flow very well leading to the codes, or the 07+ ECU is much more sensitive. Right now I am running the FI HFC's with the Nismo exhaust. Haven't driven enough to see any codes yet.
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Well new o2 sensors and it still threw a CEL 0430. Then I jacked up the car and started it to find my left HFC just before the support bracket has CRACKED.
I am going to call Bryan and see what they will do for me. The CEL is because the air is leaking in and makeing the oxygen reading to high. So the ECU throws a 0430/0420.
I am going to call Bryan and see what they will do for me. The CEL is because the air is leaking in and makeing the oxygen reading to high. So the ECU throws a 0430/0420.
So pretty much even though Berk is the best built HFC out there- it will still throw the CEL and cats will crack after a few months. Seems like the HR is cursed by the aftermarket.
Originally Posted by WalkerT
Well new o2 sensors and it still threw a CEL 0430. Then I jacked up the car and started it to find my left HFC just before the support bracket has CRACKED.
I am going to call Bryan and see what they will do for me. The CEL is because the air is leaking in and makeing the oxygen reading to high. So the ECU throws a 0430/0420.
I am going to call Bryan and see what they will do for me. The CEL is because the air is leaking in and makeing the oxygen reading to high. So the ECU throws a 0430/0420.
I don't know what to do. I need to find out the exact reason these are cracking. If it is the Y-pipe, then I will keep the stock y-pipe and install the rest of the Nismo exhaust. Can anybody comment on if this is a plausible idea?
Originally Posted by gsingh350Z
Oh my gawd! I have my Nismo exhaust and Berk hfc's sitting in my room and am afraid that if I install them they will crack!!!!!!!
I don't know what to do. I need to find out the exact reason these are cracking. If it is the Y-pipe, then I will keep the stock y-pipe and install the rest of the Nismo exhaust. Can anybody comment on if this is a plausible idea?
I don't know what to do. I need to find out the exact reason these are cracking. If it is the Y-pipe, then I will keep the stock y-pipe and install the rest of the Nismo exhaust. Can anybody comment on if this is a plausible idea?
Intalled my Nismo an Berks with Zero issues.
Originally Posted by cdoxp800
Intalled my Nismo an Berks with Zero issues.
It's not really the installment that is the problem, I believe over time there seems to be some stress on the cats, and I am wondering what it could be.
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Mine cracked just above the suport brace bracket on the weld. It could have been a bad weld. Might only happen to 1-10000. I would install them and press on. If they break Berk will replace them.
is there a quick way to reset the CEL?? like pulling the cable off the battery for awhile??
i got my CEL within a day of putting on my HFC's. so i dont think they are cracked. although. stranger **** has happened.
i got my CEL within a day of putting on my HFC's. so i dont think they are cracked. although. stranger **** has happened.
Originally Posted by Someguy350
i got my CEL within a day of putting on my HFC's. so i dont think they are cracked. although. stranger **** has happened.
I got my exhaust installed professionally and I have zero issues.
Originally Posted by gsingh350Z
Thanks for the feedback.
It's not really the installment that is the problem, I believe over time there seems to be some stress on the cats, and I am wondering what it could be.
It's not really the installment that is the problem, I believe over time there seems to be some stress on the cats, and I am wondering what it could be.
Originally Posted by WalkerT
Well I swapped over the O2 sensors from left to right. I also checked the voltage and it is reading correct.
I am also driving the car alittle different. Before I would do a WOT run to get on the highway with in 10 minutes of starting up (highway I take to work is with in ten minutes of the house) and I would get the code shortly after. SO now I wait until 15+ minutes has past before WOT. My thinking is if I let the Metalic reach the right temp before I WOT then the ecu will see the right reading. I have done this three times sense yesterday and no codes. I will update later this week.
I am also driving the car alittle different. Before I would do a WOT run to get on the highway with in 10 minutes of starting up (highway I take to work is with in ten minutes of the house) and I would get the code shortly after. SO now I wait until 15+ minutes has past before WOT. My thinking is if I let the Metalic reach the right temp before I WOT then the ecu will see the right reading. I have done this three times sense yesterday and no codes. I will update later this week.
Same goes for 02 sensors. When the motor is not fully warmed up, identified by coolant temp, then the car is still running quite "rich". This being noted with high flow metallic catalytic converters which do not have the warm up cycle like stock, they could possibly take longer to "activate". In the end, if the car is not warmed up properly, its still running rich, and the 02 sensor would notice that your car is running "richer than normal" and trip the code.
I think that reads right.
And yes, primary O2's always read A/F ratio, the more O2 found in the exhaust the more lean the motor is running, secondary O2 read changes in gas change after catalytic converter activation.
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