i went to the iforged site to look at prices for 19" FS series, and realized they are more expensive then volks...not even by a little, a lot! (about a 1000$ difference)...i know the iforged are lighter, but are there any other differences why they cost so much?

p.s. i don't know if a rim being forged makes it that much more expensive, can someone explain this to me...i don't know much about forged rims...i heard they are stronger because of the way they are made, thus adding less metal to the rim making it lighter?

 

how much were the Iforged rims you were looking at? since a set of 19" volks is around 2400 Id be a monkeys uncle if iforged was anywhere under 2000$.

if anything, I thought volks were the better brand, iforged is sort of an oddity, not to say anything wrong with their wheels forged is forged, and they put out a great product, but they are somewhat known to copy other wheels, except they do it with forged metal, typicly copied designs are copies of expensive wheels into crappy wheels, iforged just makes copies of insane wheels into expensive wheels. not a bad idea, a pretty good one in fact.

anyway, volk and iforged are both forged, and are both super light, differences between 2 rims would be amount of material involved in the design. you might pay a little something just to have the volk name, I atleast had never heard of iforged untill they started selling on here. but volk is a name you'll find most people recognize right along with HRE.

 

the iforged rims i was looking at came out to $3260 for 19x8.5 F 19x9.5 Rear...that sounds crazy, unless those prices are with tires, but i doubt it!...i would take the volks anyday, and save a grand...this guy (Wicked4u2c) is sellin 19" GT7's for 2200 shipped to your door, including centercaps!

 

chances are, you are looking at 3-piece iForged wheels, they make 2 piece in the same designs for less (btw, iirc, Volks are 2-piece or 1 piece depending on style, and not all are FORGED).
Also, iForged are made in the USA, Volks are made in Japan (i think). If you look at how much is charged for what you get (extra) like finish, aluminum center cap, etc.....iForged are a GREAT deal.

btw, get in on a group buy for iForged, you will save $$ there too. MIne were going for just over $2000 (not including tax, shipping, etc..)

forged wheels are MUCH more expensive to make and much stronger.

 

oh boy, here we go again

 

its not really "here we again"....its the truth! Vince has been around ALOT longer than what most of you know him as or know him from! "iForged" is the THIRD, YES THIRD name that he has changed his "companies" to within like that last 2.5 years (IF even that long)!! Sure he might have a somewhat good rep around here but that's simply b/c this is a brand new forum and he has only been around here for two group buys! He does this same thing on just about every new car forum that comes out!

Sure you have the wheels, and yes they do look great! But when this comes up you really cant keep the attitude that you do about the whole knock-off deal everytime someone says that about iForged b/c lets face it, that's what they / he is know as....the HRE knock-offs. That's the way it is on all the top forum sites and that was pretty much his plan. Stevie Wonder could see that 95% of the current line-up from him is a copy of HRE. Sure, they can not look 100% the same and there is going to be so VERY small difference b/c they HAVE to be or HRE would be all over him! For example, your wheels...the only difference between those and the HRE 840 (pretty sure that the #) is your spokes do not taper at the ends / get slightly narrower, they stay straight. Compare all of the wheels just about..look that lug dish, lip design, the rivets, all the way down to the design of the center cap logo.......HRE

Before he was iForged even all the other wheels he did were copies just as well!! mostly of AXIS and Racing Hart b/c those what were on top back then. Not trying to start anything here with you so don't take it that way or even personal, but I'm just saying that I have MUCH more experience esp. 1st hand knowledge of most of the shady *** **** he has done over the last 2.5 years, hell he took me for $2800 and I spent MONTHS working with the police, other forum members, even other shops were getting ripped off by him that were so called dealers of his!!!!! He is faaaaaaaaar from the stand up guy most around think! Would you rip off a long time friend of over 10yrs for $22,000????? Well he did w/o thinking twice!

Search over on audiword, vwvortex, e46fanatics, bimmer.org , etc and you will find PLENTY of reading on him and his games from the past! The Irvine country fraud and criminal investigations dept just don't have profiles, numerous complaints, nor know him personally for no reason at all!

But anyway, sorry bro, that's what he has been known for from pretty much day one, and esp. with his new wheel adventure for this year! The 2003 line-up will always be know as / compared as the HRE knock-offs!

 

My friend ordered an iforged wheels for her E500 Mercedes ,It's almost 3 mos. until now no delivery of the wheels.

 

KJ-350,
how did this thread become a personal attack?? I can only give the experience that I had, so maybe you are right, but in my case it wasn't. Sounds like you have some issues.

btw, the 845r wheels are WAYYY different than mine, I think HRE would even agree with me there

If you think that these are the EXACT same



VS



then are you willing to say that these are all COPYS TOO??????



































after all, these all have 5 spokes, ya, so "tapper in a little more" or tapper out a little more, BUT sure, they are all pretty much the same rims (to you) (btw, sure looks like WALD copied AMG, Dronell Copied Hamann, and Hamman and Dronell copied 5 Zigan, or is it the other way around?? man this is getting confusion, who started the WHOLE 5 spoke thing anyways??

btw, did HRE copy a wheel here (nooooooooooooooo, please don't tell me HRE would do that??)



btw, I couldn't care less if they did, IMHO BBS practically invented the mesh wheel. so EVERYBODY that now has one is a copy?? and Alpina/BMW practically invented this style wheel, BUT I don't care, HRE makes great wheels so who cares???



and AMG and carlsson invented this style wheels


btw, I happened to defend HRE in another thread here (https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....ght=five+spoke)when someone claimed that HRE "copied" the SSR GT3 wheels (which they look totally different, but I guess to guys like you they are the same, so I guess you better call HRE out on that one too??)
there are more but I am getting bored

 

lol, nevermind bro..you clearly didn't read what I typed at all or would not of said more than half the things you did or go anywhere near the lengths that you have with all the pics etc. Subject is dropped man! Your right, everyone else is wrong, your wheels nor any other iForged wheel look nothing like HRE at all....have a good weekend!

PS
You dont have the multi piece Aero's that you keep picturing! So of course they are not going to look like them at all, not even close b/c of the bolts and extra piece! Put the 845r's next to the ones you actually have and you will understand! None the less, take it easy and have a good weekend!

 

actually, I NEVER said that, some look very very similar, but mine don't. ALL I am saying is that many many respectable wheel manufactures use SIMILAR designs, (even HRE), since that was your point. Fine, we will drop it (it is about time) and leave it at that (we can still respect each other and agree to disagree, that is what is so great about this country).

I am about to go out with my wife and friends for some GREAT mexican food!!!, You have a nice weekend to and remember to tell your mother how much you appreciate her tomarrow, mothers are the Best!!

PEACE!!!

in response to your"PS" that you just added about- bolts VS no bolts, I was referring to SPOKE shape and design, I don't think any 1 particular company invented the BOLTS either

Peace again

 

btw, KJ, I love your sig of anti-automatic thing, truly how I feel about "real sports cars"

 

I am an HRE owner, love my 445's but I got to defend rodH
on his wheels. I love his wheels, think they look great and if HRE or Iforged came out with them first, then who cares! Since the Z was not the first sports car, then Nissan should have never came out with one. Is this the logic we are getting into?

I just got gun shy on Iforge because of Vince's reputation. Are you listening Vince? When you have treated customers in the past poorly, other shy away. As they say, one unhappy customers will negate 10 happy ones. I did not want to take the risk, but with that said, rodH's iforged are as good looking as they get.

Enjoy that mexican food....Jeff

 

what are the differences between 2 peice and 3 peice forged rims?...and how could i tell which volks are forged or not...

p.s. anyone have a link to the Ray's(volk) website? i forgot it...

 

www.volk.co.jp maybe? its very confusing. its somethin like that tho.

they should tell if they are forged or not on the site, but alot of the site is in japanese, so might be tricky.

when in doubt of anything ask here, someone will know the answer.

I dont really know what the purpose of 2 and 3 peice wheels are... lighter? or maybe you can unbolt the peices and fix the peice that has damage? thatd be kinda cool, bend a rim, just replace the outer lip instead of the whole thing.

 

i am expecting my iforged wheels this week. it's been a nice wait but it is to be expected when ordering a wheel to be built to your car. it really wasn't that bad because the weather is just starting to really break.

 

i can't even find the Ray's site through google!

 

http://www.rayswheels.co.jp/

damen, expecting them this week means you will get them in 2-3 more weeks. Have to add a couple weeks to anything Vince tells you. Mine were actually due a month before I received them

 

i wonder if KJ350 and Rodh were on there schools depate team

 

Here is a quick little lesson on the notorious Vince and why the customer service and waiting time is as bad as it is! And trust me, this is the loooooong story short version!

I cant say that right now today (5/11/03) all of these are still 100% the same but I am pretty confident they are and this is how things were where I had all my problems with him and even the last time I spoke others somewhat recent

Technically speaking is no such thing as "Vince's wheel company"! Have you guys ever heard of "Intro Custom Wheels"? They are very popular in the hotrod / custom truck scene! If they haven't smartened up and got rid of Vince by now thats who actually makes the wheels and where everything happens / goes on! Vince does not have his own shop, warehouse, manufacturing plant etc. NOTHING! Well I take that back, he has a cell phone! Yes, have you ever tried calling him? He runs it all using a phone cell!!! Anyway, he worked out a deal with the owners of Intro (they started out as a small family business back in the day, the two brothers own/run it now) to be able to use their plant, warehouse, and shipping on their down or slow times and in-between product runs! So basically the reason the customer service sucks so bad and the waits are sooo long is b/c the guys making the rims (Intro employees mind you, NOT Vince's employees, there are none besides him and maybe his two buddies are still helping him out) are only making them when there are no custom orders, or product runs for themselves...more or less in their free time and when those guys want to work on the side for alittle extra $$! Ever wonder why you always get "yah sure next week" as your answer 99% of the time but yet you have heard that at least 5 times prior...b/c he doesn't even know the wheels will be done! They are built when nothing else is there to do or when the Intro guys want to stick around and help on the side! iForged is basically a one man show with a cell phone and a big dream of being "The Man" in the custom car scene and will do anything , say anything he needs to for people to think of him that way!

How do I know any of this? Again, I got ripped by him back when he first started his games, which was 3 "company" names ago!!! I have personally spoke with MANY people ranging from other customers he also screwed over big time to the agent from the Irvine country fraud department that is assigned to Vince's profile, and knows he very well I will add! And the same with the owners of Intro, they were more than willing to explain and make sure the relationship between them and Vince was understood clearly! He is faaaaar from the stand up guy so many of you think! I could type for at least another 20 mins of specifics on how he played other customers, shops, dealers, sponsors, friends etc b/c I have personally spoke with them time after time! Hell a bunch of us even teamed up and worked together on alot of things! It took me almost 4 months of nonstop working to finally get enough things together on him inorder to get my money back! Just be careful if you do order b/c one thing you can expect from him are lies or many broken promises!!!

 

I thought I will just add my 2 cent.

First, I think there is only so many ways to make a wheel, so I can see how one wheel will copy another. And this doesn't limit to american company, even good jap companies copy each other slightly. I think the winner will always come out to which one have the bigger names, and alot of time, whose design got big first.

Let take that Hamann PG2 for instence. If you use the Donell PG2 look alike wheel on a Bimmer, people will ask you if that is Hamann. Therefore, generally speaking, Donell copied Hamann on that design since people will think of Hamann PG2 wheel they see that design, but the Donell didn't cost any less.

As for the iforge, I have no experience with them. But I personally meet Vince before and he is not my favorite character for sure. If you are going to buy a set of wheel from him because of price, thats a good thing since he does provide good price. Just don't expect any service from him. As for wheel made by him...uh...I won't put my lunch money on it to find out if it is good for sure.

If you ask me, I would say the iforge copied the HRE. That is because everyone know HRE, and no one knows iforge (I-Forge) until recently. Now if the quailty are good, and good price, I don't see why not. BUT...they are NEVER going to be in the same league or brand status as HRE because HRE will always be HRE, just as BBS will always be BBS, and OZ will always be OZ. Even if the wheel does suck, the name is good.

I learn from my last car that you know a wheel is good when the name of the brand will conclude all the information a person asking a question on it will need to know.

"Hey, nice wheel, what is it?"
"iforge."
"That is nice, how much does it cost?"
"XXX"...and so on.

vs.

"Hey, nice wheel, what is it?"
"HRE"
"Damn..."

Anyways, HRE did make this version of the 5 spoke.

545R



I still love your wheel rodH, it is just that I would love the HRE more if price didn't come into a factor.