Been using only street tires on the Z since i bought her, and i almost died recently coming back from colorado... i hydroplaned trying to slow down on the highway was only going 55mph at the time when there was standing water covering both lanes... F250 came within inches of hitting me head on (yes i spun 180 facing traffic) and i kept the wheel to the far left and at the perfect time it whipped me onto the right median nearly missing a guard rail and a ditch

so for the luck of being spared a badass car, mine and my friends lives... i need some good ALL season tires

needs to be VERY affordable, wasnt planning on changing tires til after snow season but am in need of the car for the whole season, any good references to tires uve owned during all seasons?

 

toyo tpt, proxes 4, or versado i put a set of the proxes 4 on my lexus and they are great, i run t1-r on my g

 

Why do you need all season tires just to drive in the rain. There are plenty of performance tires with good rain attributes.

 

All-season tires can be expensive - Just purchase a set of tires that have a good rating in wet/dry conditions...

 

well we get icy winters, not snow so much, but full blown ice... and it still is a daily driver

 

All seasons are bad in all conditions. Personally, I opted for the Falken 452's on the Z. Great for dry/wet. My other car I went with Nokian WR's. There are no better tires for snow/ice/water and able to be daily driven on dry. If you want tires for snow/ice, there are no better tires than Nokian RSI's.

 

all seasons will be pretty worthless on ice, get a dedicated set of winter tires/wheels, and run performance summer tires the rest of the year

 

Only real reason to get all season tires (besides treadwear) is they dont completely suck in the winter like summer tires do. Cheap A/S tires will probably completely suck for dry performance tho. Only the high end ones like the Goodyear Eagle F1 A/S will offer decent dry performance

 

well i was quoted the goodyear eagles for 220 a wheel, staying at 255/45s on rear, im only replacing the rear tires cause my nittos are fine in the front, not much treadwear

 

Check these test results: https://my350z.com/forum/wheels-and-tires/271133-what-brand-tires-should-i-get.html.

 

All seasons freeze up and have no grip in any weather. Because of the soft compounds on summer tires, I'd rather take them in rain/ice then ice blocks. They'd still be useless on ice though. At least you'd save money, and they'll be better in rain.

 

You do realize that the soft compound in summer tires is what makes them worse than allseasons in ice right? They'll be much stiffer than a allseason in those conditions.

 

And, as I said. During ice conditions it doesn't matter. They'll both be frozen. So you might as well get tires that are good in at least dry and wet. In ice, take the bus, or get winter tires.

 

All season tires are not meant for ICE they are meant for light snow. Which on average, they are superior than summer tires in this aspect. You make like ALL A/S tires suck in terms of DRY/WET performance, you must never driven on ultra high performance A/S tires like Goodyear Eagle F1 or Bridgestone RE960. They dont suck, and actually as far as spirited STREET performance, they are actually good. They just wont be very good in racing or were you push your car to its absolute limits.

 

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From Tire Rack... "The Eagle F1 GS-D3 is Goodyear's Max Performance Summer radial developed for driving enthusiasts who want more performance from their factory stock or aftermarket-tuned sports cars, sporty coupes and performance sedans. The Eagle F1 GS-D3 excels in wet conditions by delivering class-leading hydroplaning resistance and traction, as well as offers competitive dry performance. Like all summer tires, it is not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice."


The fact you think all seasons are meant for snow is astounding.

 

why did you post a quote from Eagle F1 GS-D3? Those are high performance summer tires.

From the Tire Rack... "The Eagle F1 All Season featuring Carbon Fiber Technology is Goodyear's Ultra High Performance All Season tire designed to give sports car, sporty coupe and performance sedan drivers piece of mind in virtually any weather condition. It was developed to combine crisp responsiveness and confident handling with year-round traction, including in light snow."


I find it funny that you think they would call A/S tires A/S for no reason. Sure they are not meant for heavy snow or ice, but driving a summer tire when its 15F out really sucks compared to an A/S tire. I guess the statement most people will say is either change your tires to real snow tires, or drive a different car. Sometimes those are not options.......

 

why would changing to winter tires not be an option?

 

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...res/index.html

Getting a grip: Are your all-season tires really equipped?
Broadcast: November 3, 1998

A typical Canadian winter driving scene

Brace yourselves. What's ahead for most Canadian motorists is this: four months of snow and ice and spinning tires. Now is the time to choose the right tires to help you stick to those slippery roads. But which are the right tires?

These days most people buy one set of all-season radial tires, and stick with them all year. It's the convenient choice - maybe the least expensive choice - but is it the best choice for bad weather?

Elaine Pfrimmer's experience with all-season tires on a snowy Christmas Eve is a case in point.

The Barrie, Ontario, woman was driving home with her husband after visiting friends when her car began to slide as she crested the top of a hill.

Elaine Pfrimmer

"I'm trying so hard to pump the brake, gently, and pulling to the left for all I'm worth, and this car is still going to the right," Pfrimmer recalls. "There was just no other option, I was going where this car wanted to go."

Her car missed the turn and shot through the intersection into the telephone pole on the far side. Luckily, no one was seriously hurt.

The tires on her car that night? All-season radials, not snow tires. Why? "With all-season radials you're not supposed to need snow tires, so the advertisements say," Pfrimmer explains.

Even if that's not precisely what they say, certainly that was the impression Pfrimmer had. Although she lives in a snow belt, she thought all-season tires would carry her safely through the winter.

Diane Hardouin

She was lucky, but many drivers aren't so fortunate. Winter is a terrible season for traffic fatalities on Canadian highways.

Diane Hardouin thinks about winter with a particular sense of sorrow.

"People don't think it's going to happen to them," says the Richmond, B.C., woman. "And then one night when the police knock at your door ... you think you've got your life all together and in one second it's changed completely and forever."

Jennifer Jones

The knock on the door came just before Christmas, 1994. It was a police offer with news of her daughter, Jennifer Jones, who had been driving her blue Tercel north from Squamish to her job at the popular ski resort at Whistler. Constable Dave Ritchie was at the scene of the accident.

"About the 14th of December ... It was snowing heavily out here on highway 99 and there was heavy traffic, people coming back from the day skiing," Ritchie says. "Jennifer Jones was travelling northbound ... and her vehicle lost control ... her vehicle rotated and she crossed the centre line into the southbound lane of traffic and a van ... struck her car and both of them ended up in the ditch ... Jennifer received a serious head injury in the accident and was killed instantly."

Constable Dave Ritchie

The highway where Jennifer died is called the Sea to Sky Highway because it rises from sea level into the mountains. The road passes through all kinds of dangerous weather - so dangerous that local officials pay extra attention to highway safety.

For years the Sea to Sky Highway Safety Committee (comprising the RCMP, the provincial government and the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia) has worked to make the road safer. That has meant spot checks on the road to make sure drivers have appropriate tires - and random tire surveys in the Whistler parking lot. Many visitors to Whistler make the trip on all-season radials.

The Sea to Sky Highway

The inquest into Jones' death became a focal point for some of the committee's concerns. In particular, they raised questions about the appropriateness of all-season tires for poor conditions. Their questions led to some troubling answers - and may eventually mean big changes for the tire industry.

"When a consumer buys an all-season radial tire, they sometimes think that they're buying a tire that will perform under all weather conditions, and this is not what happens," says Peter Gordon, who conducted the coroner's investigation into the Jones accident.

Gordon says the first thing the inquest jury learned is that the term "all-season" can be misleading. Gordon says some all-season tires may be just as good as some bona fide winter tires, but many are not.

Peter Gordon

How does a consumer tell the difference? 'M&S' stamped on the sidewall of a tire should be a clue, Gordon says. It stands for mud and snow, and it's supposed to mean these tires have been specially designed for driving in bad weather.

But when you talk to the experts, M&S turns out to be just as misleading as 'all-season.' John Gane points to a tire with the 'M&S' stamp on its sidewall. "This tire is labelled mud and snow," he says, "and by no stretch of imagination would you ever consider this to be a snow tire."

Gane was head of research for the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia when the Jones inquest took place. He met with tire retailers to try to decipher the terms commonly used to describe tires which are sold for winter use.

John Gane

"What we learned from the meeting with the tire dealers is that there is a number of labels that you find on tires that are really not all that meaningful," he says.

Real winter tires and the skimpiest all-season tires can both get the M&S stamp, and that's "dangerously confusing," he adds.

"The heart of the matter is that consumer can't depend on the labelling on the side of a tire to tell them what is a good tire to use in a snow storm."

The night she lost control of her Tercel, Jennifer Jones was driving on two real snow tires and two all-season M&S tires. But if 'all-season M&S' is just a meaningless slogan, then she may have been driving that treacherous road with a false sense of security.

According to her mother, Jones "was very nervous on that highway and I think that she equipped her car to the best of her ability. In retrospect, it wasn't enough."

How does such misleading information end up on such an important part of the car? John Gane blames both the tire industry and government.

"The federal government doesn't have any regulations," he says. "The tire manufacturers can put on the side of a tire whatever they think is appropriate ... And this has created a lot of confusion for the public. For an unregulated industry it appears they have not done a good job of regulating themselves."

Coroner Peter Gordon has reached the same conclusion. "I think what has to happen is that Transport Canada have to review the specifications for tires used in the winter season."

The Coroner's report on Jones' fatal accident was sent to Transport Canada. Along with it went this recommendation: Transport Canada was urged to "enact regulations" and "provide performance specifications" for winter tires to clear up the confusion.

Robin Myers

Robin Myers, Transport Canada's Chief of Standards and Regulations, says the regulator is now leaning on the tire industry partly as a result of the fallout from the Jones accident and subsequent inquest.

The tire industry is reportedly just weeks away from fixing at least a part of the problem. "There's an industry standard in the very advanced stages at the moment, expected to be out before Christmas in final form anyway," Myers says.

But will this standard mean an end to M&S tires and all-season tires?

"The industry can best say what its future plans are," says Myers,"but as we understand it the M&S tire, or mud and snow tire to give it its full name, the intention is to phase that out. The all-season, whether that will disappear or not, we don't know."

So does such a change mean Transport Canada has failed those already touched by tragedy as a result of the improper use of tires? Myers doesn't think so.

"All we can say is we've got to look forward."

 

http://www.bchighway.com/myvehicle/a...snowtires.html


Snow vs. All Season what's the difference?

Motorists that have experienced BC winters know that when the snow starts to fall all season tires just don't cut it. All season tires would be better described as 3 season tires. Watch the video and find out why?





Educational Video - Snow Tires

All season tires perform well for 12 months of the year where there is no snow. However here in BC Canada other than a few areas on the coast the all season tire performs well in Spring Summer and Fall. (hence 3 seasons) However the all season tire was designed for wet and dry driving on pavement. NOT snow covered conditions. BC winters especially in the interior require snow tires that were especially designed for slippery conditions and very cold temperatures. We are not talking about just aggressive tread patterns either because snow tires are specifically designed with very soft compounds that help better grip the road during very cold weather.

Snow tire has added groove capacity helping dispel any of the excess snow as well the tire is made of a softer compound vs. an all season tire again giving it extra traction. Some tires are designed to actually grab the snow and throw it as the tire turns. Tread patterns are deigned to give extra traction. the snow symbol imprinted on the sidewall indicates in fact that it is a snow tire and will give superior performance in winter conditions vs. an all season tire.

Lets talk about a front wheel drive vehicle. If you only put 2 snow tires on the vehicle what you are doing is transferring the traction of the rear onto the front tires and that could lead to a possible over steer condition which could result in the car fish tailing or swinging out. To maintain optimum traction handling and stability we recommend 4 snow tires on all vehicles.

There is a flip side to snow tires. The same qualities that give them there improved performance during the winter months become far less appropriate when the weather turns warm. Snow tires are made of a softer compound, by using them in the summer months and warmer weather will create premature wear on the tire. Always remember to install your snows in the fall but take them off for the spring and summer. Its a good idea to buy an extra set of rims for your winter tires. This will make it much simpler to change the tires over between winter and summer.

Snow tires will ensure you safer and happier winter driving.....

 

If you don't want to get into an accident in the winter, get these...

http://www.canadiandriver.com/winter.../hakka_rsi.htm

While you're crashing into a pole because of your "All Seasons" I will make it home safe, each and every time.