Aggressive Wheels and Stretched Tires....Welcome
05-06-2009, 02:05 PM
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18x12.5 -1 all 4 wheels? Fronts flat out won't fit even on rolled/pulled fenders. Those will sit 3.5 inches further out than the stock wheels. You would have to run so much neg. camber that the inside barrel would be hitting the shock any time you compress. 245 on a 12.5 is a pretty extreme stretch as well. Look at the post below yours, he's running a 275 on a 12 and a 245 on an 11.
If you've never done this sort of thing before, I would suggest buying something in the milder offset range like a staggered 9.5/10.5 setup with offsets in the mid teens.
*edit* also, as mentioned before, that redrilled bolt pattern looks nasty. I wouldn't trust my Z on wheels that have been redrilled for 5x114.3
If you've never done this sort of thing before, I would suggest buying something in the milder offset range like a staggered 9.5/10.5 setup with offsets in the mid teens.
*edit* also, as mentioned before, that redrilled bolt pattern looks nasty. I wouldn't trust my Z on wheels that have been redrilled for 5x114.3
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05-06-2009, 02:10 PM
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the wheels are for the rear and i have camber arms to adjust the negative camber, would this work on stock ride height or would i need coilovers or springs?? and i am looking to run a 265/40/18 ....
05-06-2009, 02:24 PM
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What wheels/tires do you have on the front?
...and one more time, that redrilled bolt pattern still has me grimacing. Why not just get something in a true 5x114.3?
05-06-2009, 02:34 PM
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I don't know about the fronts but I do know those rears will fit with no problem. I know for a fact you can put 19x11 in the front, shoot you might be abel to do it with some aggressive neg camber. doesn't hurt to try
If they were close to me I would swing on by and just put them on and try them out.
05-06-2009, 09:41 PM
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Ugh...i went and had an alignment done and in the process, had the guy flip the tires, as the insides were getting pretty well trashed. I need some advice from the experts here.
Here's the problem...
Before getting the alignment done, my alignment was super f*cked up....we're talking over 1 degree of toe out in the rear. Steering angle was all messed up, etc. However, despite this, there were almost no rubbing issues whatsoever on my setup. (275/30/19 lightly-stretched on a 19x10.5 -7 Volk with -4 degrees camber). Clearance between tire and fender was a beautiful 1mm (2 credit cards). But under load, everything cleared, no rubs.
After getting the alignment done, and tire flip completed, here is the result:
Front: Still -2.5 degrees camber, 0 toe (no rubbing)
Rear: -5 degrees camber, 0 toe
Tires: Now rubbing like a motherf*cker.
In fact, the rubbing was so bad on just one commute today that the friction between tire and fender cooked some of the paint on the fender. It looks burnt now, and the paint on the inner edge of the fender is gone...its bare metal.
So, in addition to getting the paint touched up, I have to figure something out with the tires. Switching to 265/30s or 255/30s isnt an option right now, but maybe later. Adding more camber isnt an option either, because I'll have to pay to have it aligned again. Tire pressures are still the same, 40psi.
Is it rubbing now just because the worn inner tire edge is now on the outside, and the geometry of the tire is different? The part that's rubbing is the sharp edge of the tire that sticks out as a result of the stretch (very visible in the last pic). Any advice? In return, new pics:
2009-04-0503.jpg?t=1241674339
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1e.jpg?t=1241674385
1c.jpg?t=1241674383
1a.jpg?t=1241674379
1d.jpg?t=1241674384
1f.jpg?t=1241674387
1g.jpg?t=1241674392
Here's the problem...
Before getting the alignment done, my alignment was super f*cked up....we're talking over 1 degree of toe out in the rear. Steering angle was all messed up, etc. However, despite this, there were almost no rubbing issues whatsoever on my setup. (275/30/19 lightly-stretched on a 19x10.5 -7 Volk with -4 degrees camber). Clearance between tire and fender was a beautiful 1mm (2 credit cards). But under load, everything cleared, no rubs.
After getting the alignment done, and tire flip completed, here is the result:
Front: Still -2.5 degrees camber, 0 toe (no rubbing)
Rear: -5 degrees camber, 0 toe
Tires: Now rubbing like a motherf*cker.
In fact, the rubbing was so bad on just one commute today that the friction between tire and fender cooked some of the paint on the fender. It looks burnt now, and the paint on the inner edge of the fender is gone...its bare metal.
So, in addition to getting the paint touched up, I have to figure something out with the tires. Switching to 265/30s or 255/30s isnt an option right now, but maybe later. Adding more camber isnt an option either, because I'll have to pay to have it aligned again. Tire pressures are still the same, 40psi.
Is it rubbing now just because the worn inner tire edge is now on the outside, and the geometry of the tire is different? The part that's rubbing is the sharp edge of the tire that sticks out as a result of the stretch (very visible in the last pic). Any advice? In return, new pics:
2009-04-0503.jpg?t=1241674339
1h.jpg?t=1241674390
1b.jpg?t=1241674500
1e.jpg?t=1241674385
1c.jpg?t=1241674383
1a.jpg?t=1241674379
1d.jpg?t=1241674384
1f.jpg?t=1241674387
1g.jpg?t=1241674392
05-06-2009, 10:00 PM
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Ugh...i went and had an alignment done and in the process, had the guy flip the tires, as the insides were getting pretty well trashed. I need some advice from the experts here.
Here's the problem...
Before getting the alignment done, my alignment was super f*cked up....we're talking over 1 degree of toe out in the rear. Steering angle was all messed up, etc. However, despite this, there were almost no rubbing issues whatsoever on my setup. (275/30/19 lightly-stretched on a 19x10.5 -7 Volk with -4 degrees camber). Clearance between tire and fender was a beautiful 1mm (2 credit cards). But under load, everything cleared, no rubs.
After getting the alignment done, and tire flip completed, here is the result:
Front: Still -2.5 degrees camber, 0 toe (no rubbing)
Rear: -5 degrees camber, 0 toe
Tires: Now rubbing like a motherf*cker.
In fact, the rubbing was so bad on just one commute today that the friction between tire and fender cooked some of the paint on the fender. It looks burnt now, and the paint on the inner edge of the fender is gone...its bare metal.
So, in addition to getting the paint touched up, I have to figure something out with the tires. Switching to 265/30s or 255/30s isnt an option right now, but maybe later. Adding more camber isnt an option either, because I'll have to pay to have it aligned again. Tire pressures are still the same, 40psi.
Is it rubbing now just because the worn inner tire edge is now on the outside, and the geometry of the tire is different? The part that's rubbing is the sharp edge of the tire that sticks out as a result of the stretch (very visible in the last pic). Any advice? In return, new pics:
Here's the problem...
Before getting the alignment done, my alignment was super f*cked up....we're talking over 1 degree of toe out in the rear. Steering angle was all messed up, etc. However, despite this, there were almost no rubbing issues whatsoever on my setup. (275/30/19 lightly-stretched on a 19x10.5 -7 Volk with -4 degrees camber). Clearance between tire and fender was a beautiful 1mm (2 credit cards). But under load, everything cleared, no rubs.
After getting the alignment done, and tire flip completed, here is the result:
Front: Still -2.5 degrees camber, 0 toe (no rubbing)
Rear: -5 degrees camber, 0 toe
Tires: Now rubbing like a motherf*cker.
In fact, the rubbing was so bad on just one commute today that the friction between tire and fender cooked some of the paint on the fender. It looks burnt now, and the paint on the inner edge of the fender is gone...its bare metal.
So, in addition to getting the paint touched up, I have to figure something out with the tires. Switching to 265/30s or 255/30s isnt an option right now, but maybe later. Adding more camber isnt an option either, because I'll have to pay to have it aligned again. Tire pressures are still the same, 40psi.
Is it rubbing now just because the worn inner tire edge is now on the outside, and the geometry of the tire is different? The part that's rubbing is the sharp edge of the tire that sticks out as a result of the stretch (very visible in the last pic). Any advice? In return, new pics:
05-07-2009, 02:46 AM
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Ugh...i went and had an alignment done and in the process, had the guy flip the tires, as the insides were getting pretty well trashed. I need some advice from the experts here.
Here's the problem...
Before getting the alignment done, my alignment was super f*cked up....we're talking over 1 degree of toe out in the rear. Steering angle was all messed up, etc. However, despite this, there were almost no rubbing issues whatsoever on my setup. (275/30/19 lightly-stretched on a 19x10.5 -7 Volk with -4 degrees camber.
Here's the problem...
Before getting the alignment done, my alignment was super f*cked up....we're talking over 1 degree of toe out in the rear. Steering angle was all messed up, etc. However, despite this, there were almost no rubbing issues whatsoever on my setup. (275/30/19 lightly-stretched on a 19x10.5 -7 Volk with -4 degrees camber.
05-07-2009, 06:54 AM
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+18 with a 25mm spacer, yes. That is -7 offset.
Is 25mm weaksauce? I think it doesn't get much more aggressive than 25mm. Or are you saying get rid of spacers altogether? I think a 3cm gap between tire and fender is considerably more weaksauce than using a spacer.
And what does function over performance mean? Aren't they the same thing?
Is 25mm weaksauce? I think it doesn't get much more aggressive than 25mm. Or are you saying get rid of spacers altogether? I think a 3cm gap between tire and fender is considerably more weaksauce than using a spacer.
And what does function over performance mean? Aren't they the same thing?
05-07-2009, 07:04 AM
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You are gonna have to.
1. Dont drive it, and get a smaller tire
2. Take spacers off and drive it.
3. Get 20mm spacers and correct the camber to less of an extreme.
1. Dont drive it, and get a smaller tire
2. Take spacers off and drive it.
3. Get 20mm spacers and correct the camber to less of an extreme.
05-07-2009, 08:31 AM
#2473
Cyan,
Hey saw your car on fatlace forum, are you on bags or coilovers..I'm guessing coilovers.
Ok here is two opinions you can try.
1. get smaller tires use like a 245/35 or a 255/35, with those you will have no rubbing what so every.
2. as I looked at your pics, I can tell that you do not have any pull going on with the fenders. With that said you can give your rear fenders a little pull and get some clearance that way. That should give you enough clearance.
Bottom line it comes down to your rubber, more people are running more aggressive setups then you are and they are having no problems; so there is your problem.
I hope that helps
Hey saw your car on fatlace forum, are you on bags or coilovers..I'm guessing coilovers.
Ok here is two opinions you can try.
1. get smaller tires use like a 245/35 or a 255/35, with those you will have no rubbing what so every.
2. as I looked at your pics, I can tell that you do not have any pull going on with the fenders. With that said you can give your rear fenders a little pull and get some clearance that way. That should give you enough clearance.
Bottom line it comes down to your rubber, more people are running more aggressive setups then you are and they are having no problems; so there is your problem.
I hope that helps
05-07-2009, 02:39 PM
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Tearing up your vehicle and tires to achieved a look..a bit over and beyond? Only way I see it for right now before permanently damaging your tires/fenders some more is to take the spacers off right now..
yusoslow the picture above with cyan's car is your rear spacer not on?
yusoslow the picture above with cyan's car is your rear spacer not on?
05-07-2009, 06:08 PM
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Cyan,
Hey saw your car on fatlace forum, are you on bags or coilovers..I'm guessing coilovers.
Ok here is two opinions you can try.
1. get smaller tires use like a 245/35 or a 255/35, with those you will have no rubbing what so every.
2. as I looked at your pics, I can tell that you do not have any pull going on with the fenders. With that said you can give your rear fenders a little pull and get some clearance that way. That should give you enough clearance.
Bottom line it comes down to your rubber, more people are running more aggressive setups then you are and they are having no problems; so there is your problem.
I hope that helps
Hey saw your car on fatlace forum, are you on bags or coilovers..I'm guessing coilovers.
Ok here is two opinions you can try.
1. get smaller tires use like a 245/35 or a 255/35, with those you will have no rubbing what so every.
2. as I looked at your pics, I can tell that you do not have any pull going on with the fenders. With that said you can give your rear fenders a little pull and get some clearance that way. That should give you enough clearance.
Bottom line it comes down to your rubber, more people are running more aggressive setups then you are and they are having no problems; so there is your problem.
I hope that helps
However, the problem is essentially gone now. A little more spirited driving today did the trick. The rubber part of the lip protector bead on the tire is now worn down just enough that it doesn't rub the fenders too much anymore. It is getting better after every corner. Problem solved. I'll be getting 265s next time I buy tires though, just so I dont have to go through this same break-in period with the tires.
Sometimes getting the result you want is not always easy and it takes breaking a few things first to get it figured out. I don't have a problem with that. Neither do most of the FI guys who have blown a motor to get where they are in the horsepower department. Comes with the car-modding territory as far as I'm concerned. Besides, touch up paint is not expensive.
05-07-2009, 06:22 PM
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+18 with a 25mm spacer, yes. That is -7 offset.
Is 25mm weaksauce? I think it doesn't get much more aggressive than 25mm. Or are you saying get rid of spacers altogether? I think a 3cm gap between tire and fender is considerably more weaksauce than using a spacer.
And what does function over performance mean? Aren't they the same thing?
Is 25mm weaksauce? I think it doesn't get much more aggressive than 25mm. Or are you saying get rid of spacers altogether? I think a 3cm gap between tire and fender is considerably more weaksauce than using a spacer.
And what does function over performance mean? Aren't they the same thing?
05-07-2009, 06:34 PM
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Typo, I meant function over form. And yes, I say get rid of spacers all together. +18's are agressive enough..so why space them out only to have to sacrifice tire size. I've got +12 TE's and am running 255's up front and 275's in the rear...and most likely upgrading to 285's+ the next time I change tires.
+18 is not aggressive at all. Here is a picture attached for proof of how silly +18s looked. And besides, I'm not sacrificing any tire size...I was running the same 275s at +18 that I'm running at -7. Regardless, this debate does not belong here. If you truly feel +18 is aggressive, you are in the wrong thread.
This picture speaks volumes:
