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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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20x9 (front) 245/35/20
20x10 (rear) 275/30/20

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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Offset?
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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^ i knew i was forgetting something^!!

ill let u know as soon as i find out....i just PMed the guy
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 07:32 AM
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the offset is +37mm for the front and +38mm for the rear
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 07:47 AM
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great offset. u r good
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:10 AM
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That will fit with no problems. It will actually be somewhat sunken in. You could probably add a 20mm spacer in the rear and be just barely rubbing (if at all), depending on how much neg. camber you are set at. For instance I know a guy running 275/35/19 tires with +18 offset in the rear and he claims he is not rubbing, although I think he is pushed right to the limit.
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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what do u mean by "somewhat sunken in" ??
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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He means that the wheel will not be flush with the fender, it will instead be "sunken in".

Just put em on. If you don't like how it looks, get some spacers with the corresponding MM you would like you wheels to be "pushed out" towards the fender. Simple.
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 Fiddy Z
what do u mean by "somewhat sunken in" ??
Here is a pic of my previous setup which was 19x10 wheels in the rear, +25 offset, 275/35/19 tires. Little bit of negative camber beyond OEM setup due to drop on hotchkis springs. You can see how the fender overhangs the top edge of the tire. Even if the wheel was at less of an angle (i.e. factory camber setup) the top of the tire would still sit well within the fender. Your rear wheel offset is +38, meaning that the outer edge of your 275-width tire will theoretically sit 13 mm farther in than what I have pictured here.

On my setup I measured that I could have pushed the wheels out another 6 or 7 mm before the tires would rub, so that's how I came up with 20 mm spacer (13 mm to get to my setup, plus 7 to get out to the fender lip)




And here it is from the back in case it helps. Also FYI the fronts are 19x9 +25 offset with 245/35/19, as a gauge for where your setup will sit.


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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:17 AM
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okay. thats what i thought you meant. the pic actually really helped!! and actually i was wondering just how flush they would sit with the fender... and this answers my question...

however, i've heard pros and cons about spacers?? whats the downside to getting them??
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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Well it adds an additional piece to the wheel setup, and at the thickness you would need to get the wheels flush with the fenders the spacers will come with an extra set of studs. The OEM studs will hold the spacer to the wheel hub, and then the wheel is held to the spacer by the studs that come with the spacer. If you go this route you will need to make sure that the wheels you buy have the necessary pockets between the stud mounting pads to accommodate the OEM studs and lug nuts that will protrude beyond the face of the spacer.

In general the lower the wheel offset, the farther the centerline of the wheel is from the wheel bearing, meaning that the stresses on the wheel bearing are higher. Whether you have a wheel with a +18 offset, or a 20mm spacer and a wheel with +38 offset, the net effect is the same. (Someone correct me if I am wrong). However plenty of people here are running +20 and lower offset wheels and wheel bearing issues don't seem to crop up, so it may be a moot point.

In your case, since the offset is on the high side (meaning the wheels are pushed farther toward the middle of the car), you may also want to verify that the inner edge of the tire does not interfere with any of the suspension components throughout the travel of the suspension, if you choose to go without spacers. I don't think +38 is high enough to cause such an interference, but it should be checked anyway.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that if you get spacers it is important to get a hub-centric design, which will prevent ant potential unbalance issues.

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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Yes, No pep boys spacers!!
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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so should i just buy the wheels, and put them on before i get spacers??
or should i get them now and do it all at once?
cuz im def. gonna want them to sit flush with the fenders, i just dont wanna have to do any fender rolling or anything along those lines...
and obviously dont want any rubbing issues

i have no way of knowing about the pockets between the stud mounting pads on the wheels becuase im buying them online...

so if anyone knows if the Axis wheels will work, please let me know

thanks a lot for all the help guys...im sure this stuff gets a little repetitive, and YES i used the search but this was faster
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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My opinion, and what I did personally, is to buy wheels that are the proper width and offset to achieve the fit and function I want without any modifications or need for spacers. In this case it might mean choosing a different wheel altogether, if Axis doesn't offer any better (lower) offsets. If this is absolutely the style of wheel that you want then spacers may be the way to go (unless Axis offers lower offsets, of course).
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 12:44 PM
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Check your PM's!
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 02:29 PM
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PM replied...

thanks for all your guys' input!
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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when there is a stress on the wheel bearing, the rear axle starts to click correct? this is currently happening to my car and after searching it looks like I have to get it fixed or change the wheel bearing and oil them again....

But is there problem if I just drive it around with that clicking sound? people told me there is no problem .. it just annoying.. anyone's input on this?
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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so if i have 19 inch 8.5 front and 9.5 rear with tires 245/35/19 and 275/35/19
and decide to get spacers i should be fine?

offset for front is +25 and rear +22

im still nto sure how does this really affect the performance, just the clicking axle?
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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flush looks better!!! i would use an offset calculator and get the look you want (spacers r ghetto). sry110 is correct in his specs. i had the same set up and there's plenty room. i ran a 19x10 +25 w/ 275-35-19 and the a 285-35-19. i used toyo t1r and they tend too be more narrow than others.
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