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Old 01-21-2010, 09:25 PM
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I am about to have my AP Racing BBK installed. That means my 15" race wheels and slicks won't fit any more. I've never used them, but I got a good deal on them used and someone else is already going to buy them from me. I am going to go with drag radials and some 18" wheels. I'd like opinions and/or experiences with these wheels or tires. Let me know what you think!

Forgestar F14 either Gunmetal or Brushed Titanium
Fronts: 18×10 offsets from +16 to +42
Rears: 18×11 offsets from +23 to +55

I know nothing about offsets, but Intense already knows which offsets will be best.

http://www.forgestar.com/v1/f14.php#

I uploaded some pictures of the 2 different colors alone and mounted. No 350Z pics to be found, though.

For the rear tires, I'm thinking BF Goodrich G-Force TA Drag Radials in P295/35R18 91 NT BSW.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Competition
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Old 01-21-2010, 10:28 PM
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I would do like +20 front and rear, that will let you put some meat on the ground. Maybe +25 rear then use spacers if needed to get the perfect fit with the tire you run.
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Originally Posted by terrasmak
I would do like +20 front and rear, that will let you put some meat on the ground. Maybe +25 rear then use spacers if needed to get the perfect fit with the tire you run.
Thanks! I will keep that suggestion in mind.
Old 01-22-2010, 07:37 AM
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with a 42 and 55 offset your rims will be sunken in like 3 inches. I would stick with an offset closer to 0 (flush with fender basically)
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
I am about to have my AP Racing BBK installed. That means my 15" race wheels and slicks won't fit any more. I've never used them, but I got a good deal on them used and someone else is already going to buy them from me. I am going to go with drag radials and some 18" wheels. I'd like opinions and/or experiences with these wheels or tires. Let me know what you think!

Forgestar F14 either Gunmetal or Brushed Titanium
Fronts: 18×10 offsets from +16 to +42
Rears: 18×11 offsets from +23 to +55

I know nothing about offsets, but Intense already knows which offsets will be best.

http://www.forgestar.com/v1/f14.php#

I uploaded some pictures of the 2 different colors alone and mounted. No 350Z pics to be found, though.

For the rear tires, I'm thinking BF Goodrich G-Force TA Drag Radials in P295/35R18 91 NT BSW.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Competition
So this is for a drag racing car? Honestly, what are your goals?

Originally Posted by 03brembo
with a 42 and 55 offset your rims will be sunken in like 3 inches. I would stick with an offset closer to 0 (flush with fender basically)
18x10 and 18x11 +0? You do realize he wants a car to be functional for some types of competition, no?
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Originally Posted by scotts300
So this is for a drag racing car? Honestly, what are your goals?
My goal is mid 10's in the 1/4.
This will be my track setup, but I'm considering these wheels in 19" with Toyo R888's for my street/show setup.
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
My goal is mid 10's in the 1/4.
This will be my track setup, but I'm considering these wheels in 19" with Toyo R888's for my street/show setup.
I ran that 295 BFG TA DR for the street and didn't like it very much. I can't imagine drag racing on it and trying to nail a 1.6s 60' and run a mid-10 1/4 mile with them. Are you getting a BBK for the rear as well? I think you should consider the smallest rear wheel possible so you can afford the room for side wall flex for a good launch.

I do love my R888s for street, as they hold the roll-on power quite nicely.
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Originally Posted by scotts300
I ran that 295 BFG TA DR for the street and didn't like it very much. I can't imagine drag racing on it and trying to nail a 1.6s 60' and run a mid-10 1/4 mile with them. Are you getting a BBK for the rear as well? I think you should consider the smallest rear wheel possible so you can afford the room for side wall flex for a good launch.

I do love my R888s for street, as they hold the roll-on power quite nicely.
Hoping for 1.4s or 1.5s 60'. What problems did you have with the BFG G-force TA DR? Did you have the original thread (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Competition)

Or the newer tread pattern?(http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Competition)

Were yours the competition tire, or the performance tire?
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
Hoping for 1.4s or 1.5s 60'. What problems did you have with the BFG G-force TA DR? Did you have the original thread (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Competition)

Or the newer tread pattern?(http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...yp=Competition)

Were yours the competition tire, or the performance tire?
This one: http://www.discounttiredirect.com/di...FA+Drag+Radial

I run a Mickey Thompson ET Street now, but I believe the ET Street Radial comes in higher wheel sizes.
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may as well do a 18X11 +90

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Originally Posted by scotts300
So this is for a drag racing car? Honestly, what are your goals?



18x10 and 18x11 +0? You do realize he wants a car to be functional for some types of competition, no?
yes CLOSER to 0 than 55
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wow, as glad as i am to see a Z guy going for Forgestars, I think you have the wrong idea about what you're trying to accomplish.

With the setup you mentioned, I would do a 18x10 +20 or +16 in the rear (no real benefit to go in between a 4mm range, imo) and then go with the 295 DR you want. 295 on a 11 is a little stretched and for drag I would think you wouldnt want that type of fit.

For the front I think you're going for too big of a wheel, trim it down to a narrower width (or has that logic in RWD drag racing changed). Like others, I think you have the wrong idea about what you want for a drag setup.

For street use, get 19x10+20 and 19x11+23 (lowest offsets available for both sizes) if you still want the forgestars. They will sit very well on the Z.

As for the wheels, I love mine, you dont see the spoke design that often on a Z or G and you certainly dont run into too many people with Forgestars for that matter. They're built pretty well, fairly light (lighter than Works, comparable to some enkeis and volks) and affordably priced.

Really big rear BBK's aside, you should be able to get away with some 16" or 17" wheels for the backend. If its soley for dragging, who cares if your fronts match your rears.

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Originally Posted by idrive_MD
wow, as glad as i am to see a Z guy going for Forgestars, I think you have the wrong idea about what you're trying to accomplish.

With the setup you mentioned, I would do a 18x10 +20 or +16 in the rear (no real benefit to go in between a 4mm range, imo) and then go with the 295 DR you want. 295 on a 11 is a little stretched and for drag I would think you wouldnt want that type of fit.

For the front I think you're going for too big of a wheel, trim it down to a narrower width (or has that logic in RWD drag racing changed). Like others, I think you have the wrong idea about what you want for a drag setup.

For street use, get 19x10+20 and 19x11+23 (lowest offsets available for both sizes) if you still want the forgestars. They will sit very well on the Z.

As for the wheels, I love mine, you dont see the spoke design that often on a Z or G and you certainly dont run into too many people with Forgestars for that matter. They're built pretty well, fairly light (lighter than Works, comparable to some enkeis and volks) and affordably priced.

Really big rear BBK's aside, you should be able to get away with some 16" or 17" wheels for the backend. If its soley for dragging, who cares if your fronts match your rears.
I'll probably go with a 265 in the front. You think 10" with 265's and 11" with 295's is stretched? Like I said, I don't know much about that. I know I want the 295's in the rear, and I thought that I read that 11" wheels were a good fit for them. I may be wrong. I'll look into getting a smaller wheel for the rear. I definitely don't need Mickey Thompson ET Streets. Those are pretty much slicks. I was going to go slicks again, but my tuner says I should run DR's, since the built 5AT will absorb a lot of the shock.
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i'd stay away from forgestar.. they aren't forged like their name is, and they are just a sister brand of iforgery.. just my opinion

check this link out
http://myg37.com/forums/wheels-and-t...forgestar.html

oh and btw the owner of those two brands has one of the shadiest business ethics ever.. too many pissed off customers

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Originally Posted by itsjiggajames
i'd stay away from forgestar.. they aren't forged like their name is, and they are just a sister brand of iforgery.. just my opinion

check this link out
http://myg37.com/forums/wheels-and-t...forgestar.html

oh and btw the owner of those two brands has one of the shadiest business ethics ever.. too many pissed off customers
Sorry but the referenced post is completely irrelevant to me. I do appreciate the attempt to save me frustration, but I assure you that there won't be any.
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Originally Posted by idrive_MD
wow, as glad as i am to see a Z guy going for Forgestars, I think you have the wrong idea about what you're trying to accomplish.

With the setup you mentioned, I would do a 18x10 +20 or +16 in the rear (no real benefit to go in between a 4mm range, imo) and then go with the 295 DR you want. 295 on a 11 is a little stretched and for drag I would think you wouldnt want that type of fit.
I just ran the conversion on www.onlineconversion.com. A 295mm tire is 11.6 inches wide. How would mounting them on an 11" wheel be stretching the tire?
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
I just ran the conversion on www.onlineconversion.com. A 295mm tire is 11.6 inches wide. How would mounting them on an 11" wheel be stretching the tire?
295 is ok on an 11, though it'll look a little small, but not stretched. I have had 295s on my 10.5s and that fit and looked nice, but then went to 285s and it looks a little small. If you look here, for example, you'll see TTR suggests a 10-12" wheel for the 295/35 tire, so you're right in the middle and will be fine: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.j...irePageLocQty=

Ideally, you'd put a 305 tire on that 11" wheel, if you could make the offsets work out, but the 295 will be ok, too.

Here are 295s on my 10.5" wheel on my 300:



Conversely, here are 305s on a different 10.5" wheel on my 350:



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Originally Posted by mrg1981
Sorry but the referenced post is completely irrelevant to me. I do appreciate the attempt to save me frustration, but I assure you that there won't be any.
You asked what people think; I feel that it is relevant to you. You are tracking your rims aren't you? There are many better / lighter / forged rims out there for the money.. but at the end of the day it is your money.. do what you please
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Originally Posted by itsjiggajames
You asked what people think; I feel that it is relevant to you. You are tracking your rims aren't you? There are many better / lighter / forged rims out there for the money.. but at the end of the day it is your money.. do what you please
I do appreciate you sending me the information. The reasons that I said it doesn't relate is that my wheels are already manufactured and I will not be working with ForgeStar at all. I will be working with Intense and they will continue to treat me incredibly well. It wasn't that I didn't appreciate the info, just that it is a different situation.

I will only be using the to get to the track, go down the 1/4, and go home. I'm also getting the wheels for an incredible price, so there aren't a lot of options for less money. I am still hoping for some 1st hand experience with them though.
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Originally Posted by mrg1981
I just ran the conversion on www.onlineconversion.com. A 295mm tire is 11.6 inches wide. How would mounting them on an 11" wheel be stretching the tire?
I have 295/30/19's on my 19x11 forgestars, trust me they are technically a stretch, not may-pops like the drifter/hella flush crowd, but they are not a square OE-type fit. A small barely noticeable stretch is the best way to describe it. If you lay the wheel on the ground the wheel will be touching the pavement, not the tire, so to me that is a stretch.

I suggested the 18x10 in the rear with the 295's because it will allow for more sidewall flex vs the 18x11 w/295 setup, which is something I thought drag racers wanted?

I wasnt questioning your sizes so much as what you were going to use them for. If the sole intent was drag racing, I dont think its a great setup because 265 seems like too meaty of a front tire.

Now if its for everyday use with the occasional weekend drag event, then sure the 18x10 (+20) and 18x11(+23) setup is fine. I have 255/35/19 on my 19x10 fronts and 295/30/19 on my 19x11. Great sizes and plenty of clearance with the right drop and alignment.

Personally, if I were looking for an ideal drag setup, I would give a call to CCW and work with them to find something that works. I bet they've already outfitted another Z with wheels specific to drag racing and can offer some great insight.

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