Stagger tire sizes or not?
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Stagger tire sizes or not?
I asked a question in the tire section, but thought I would seek direct feedback from more owners with race experience.
Is the preferred track setup for a 140 tread wear tire (RS3) staggered or square?
Is it personal preference or is there a proven formula?
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Is the preferred track setup for a 140 tread wear tire (RS3) staggered or square?
Is it personal preference or is there a proven formula?
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How much track experience you have?
At that power level, I would say staggered for better rear traction and a more confident feeling going around the corners.
Square may be faster but requires greater car control skills, the car is more netural, and feels like oversteering all the time. Some people don't like this feeling and actucally drive slower with this setup.
At the end, it's all about the driver preference, imo.
At that power level, I would say staggered for better rear traction and a more confident feeling going around the corners.
Square may be faster but requires greater car control skills, the car is more netural, and feels like oversteering all the time. Some people don't like this feeling and actucally drive slower with this setup.
At the end, it's all about the driver preference, imo.
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My experience is very limited...i.e. two track days.
However, I'm a pretty quick study. I also really want to avoid buying a tire set up now that I need to upgrade from in the next 12 months.
Given that I'm just learning how to drive track, I would rather start with the drivers preferred configuration and learn best practices from the start.
Debating between 265/285 or 285/285.
However, I'm a pretty quick study. I also really want to avoid buying a tire set up now that I need to upgrade from in the next 12 months.
Given that I'm just learning how to drive track, I would rather start with the drivers preferred configuration and learn best practices from the start.
Debating between 265/285 or 285/285.
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Considering Mike B with the Berk 1 series set the street class lap record with the 265/285 combo, i would say that should be your setup. That also factors in the easier to drive with the stagger. If you have lots of track experiance, 285/285
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While I mull over tire set up, I figured I could safely get my RPF1s ordered up in 10.5" (+15) configuration as this would allow a stagger or a 285 square set up.
Make sense?
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Right now i run a 275/35 front and 285/35 rear in RS3's on a 9.5/10.5 +15 RPF1 setup.
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I hated my staggered setup (255/275). The car had too much understeer during trackdays/autoX. Difficult to control without camber arms etc IMO.
I switched to square 275/35, 275/40. I'm still adjusting but I love how the car feels planted on hard cornering. Can't wait to bring it to the track.
But for 465 whp car, I think it's better to go for staggered. Not Sure..
I switched to square 275/35, 275/40. I'm still adjusting but I love how the car feels planted on hard cornering. Can't wait to bring it to the track.
But for 465 whp car, I think it's better to go for staggered. Not Sure..
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A Square setup is good for financial reasons, you can rotate the tires to any corner and get better tire wear...
And I like the feel of a square setup on a near stock Z Car
I run 17x10 et 25, and 5mm spacers in front to clear the front suspension upright...and 275-40-17 Hoosier R6s
And I like the feel of a square setup on a near stock Z Car
I run 17x10 et 25, and 5mm spacers in front to clear the front suspension upright...and 275-40-17 Hoosier R6s
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It seems by your comments, though, that I need to reconsider my offsets. I just visited Enkei's site and my options are not extensive. The 10.5" rim is only available in the +15 - I guess that means this size cannot work for me.
There is a 10" +38. And in the 9.5" there is a +15,v+38, and +45.
I'm not looking to push the limits of fitment...I just want the best possible performance. Can someone in the know shed some light on my best course of action here? This is getting less clear for me the more I read.
Thanks everyone for the comments/feedback! At least I won't be buying the wrong stuff.
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Can your coilovers adjust for ride height?
Can you make camber adjustments?
I think the bottom line on performance is, get as much rubber on the road as you can make fit. That is what I would do. Tires are the most important aspect of grip racing.
255/255<255/275<275/275<275/285<285/285<285/305 etc
Then you can adjust your coilovers to suit your preferences and dial out some of the oversteer or understeer.
Square is great for neutrality on lesser powered cars, it's also great for rotating tires, but at 465 rwhp you are a foot twitch, or uneven surface away from inducing oversteer.
Can you make camber adjustments?
I think the bottom line on performance is, get as much rubber on the road as you can make fit. That is what I would do. Tires are the most important aspect of grip racing.
255/255<255/275<275/275<275/285<285/285<285/305 etc
Then you can adjust your coilovers to suit your preferences and dial out some of the oversteer or understeer.
Square is great for neutrality on lesser powered cars, it's also great for rotating tires, but at 465 rwhp you are a foot twitch, or uneven surface away from inducing oversteer.
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Thanks, 2TH, but the question remains...
How do I know what will actually FIT? I can't just take a chance that what I buy will work. I need to know with some certainty that my parts will be compatible.
The 285/285 plan came about for the value of tire rotation and for the fact that this is the largest RS-3 they make in an 18". And, by all accounts, the RS-3 seems to be the best tire available for track (that you can drive there on!).
[confused] But now another poster is suggesting that the +15 will cause rubbing. [/confused]
Yes I can adjust ride height on my coils. And, yes, camber is adjustable via SPL front arms and Eibach on the rear.
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How do I know what will actually FIT? I can't just take a chance that what I buy will work. I need to know with some certainty that my parts will be compatible.
The 285/285 plan came about for the value of tire rotation and for the fact that this is the largest RS-3 they make in an 18". And, by all accounts, the RS-3 seems to be the best tire available for track (that you can drive there on!).
[confused] But now another poster is suggesting that the +15 will cause rubbing. [/confused]
Yes I can adjust ride height on my coils. And, yes, camber is adjustable via SPL front arms and Eibach on the rear.
Thanks