stick vs automatic and the hp loss
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stick vs automatic and the hp loss
ok, so i am getting a little old and lazy so i went with the touring automatic. now, what am i going to lose in terms of performance....................1/4 mile ect.? also, i am told the automatics come with some form of ability to shift manually.......................please explain if you know what this is. with age, come $$ sometimes, so i guess i can always supercharge to make up for the loss of manual performance and still keep it real convenient in busy orlando traffic.
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Originally posted by exsilio
Or SMG on the new M3...I love mine....super fast and totally awesome! Click click dbl clutch down...very nice.
Or SMG on the new M3...I love mine....super fast and totally awesome! Click click dbl clutch down...very nice.
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They are paddles mounted behind the steering wheel...they allow you to shift considerably faster than with a regular manual stick. I think only the Ferrari and BMW M3 currently have them.
Here's a link:
http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/special/smg/main.html
Here's a link:
http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/special/smg/main.html
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Just think of it in terms of fun factor... and it'll vary depending on the person.
I never liked manuals until I started practicing. I'm still doing crappy, but I'm happy to get the car moving -IF i do it slowly.
It was a hard decision to make, so I decided to go for manual hoping I won't kick myself regretting it if I chose an auto.
I personally don't care what's faster... but I think it's easier to upgrade with a manual - considering this car will be my hobby car.
I can't blame ya... I'm lazy too, that's why I haven't practiced.
I never liked manuals until I started practicing. I'm still doing crappy, but I'm happy to get the car moving -IF i do it slowly.
It was a hard decision to make, so I decided to go for manual hoping I won't kick myself regretting it if I chose an auto.
I personally don't care what's faster... but I think it's easier to upgrade with a manual - considering this car will be my hobby car.
I can't blame ya... I'm lazy too, that's why I haven't practiced.
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This is wierd but I'll tell the story...
Last night I had an unusual dream. My mom was test driving a Chevy Cavalier. I know... YUCK!
I was like, "Mom this car is crap you drive something else." Then I got in it and it had a SMG similar to the BMW M3's and all of these digital readouts like tire pressures and such and I took it for a drive and bought one for myself.
Then I woke up and I was like, "Where the F*#@ did that dream come from?" Then I went back to sleep hoping for better dreams.
I haven't read about or seen any BMW SMG stuff for awhile. I am a wierdo!
Last night I had an unusual dream. My mom was test driving a Chevy Cavalier. I know... YUCK!
I was like, "Mom this car is crap you drive something else." Then I got in it and it had a SMG similar to the BMW M3's and all of these digital readouts like tire pressures and such and I took it for a drive and bought one for myself.
Then I woke up and I was like, "Where the F*#@ did that dream come from?" Then I went back to sleep hoping for better dreams.
I haven't read about or seen any BMW SMG stuff for awhile. I am a wierdo!
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My experience tells me that you will lose about 0.5 sec 0-60 and 0.6 sec 1/4 mile. This is just an estimate. If you care a lot about performance this is reason enough to get the manual. For me a more important reason is the fun to drive factor. The manual gives you control and involvement you don't get with an auto. I have driven automatics with so called manual mode and they are about as much fun as heart attack (not fun at all). In fact my passat has a tiptronic automatic and I used it only about five times in 3 years.
As for one post saying automatics are getting better and better that might be true, but to give an example like the AMG that does not even offer a manual misses the point completly. Sure the auto is quick, but with that much torque and HP you can afford to lose 10%. Also they don't offer a manual to compair against
Last I don't see driving a manual as something you have to work at or practice. Just drive the thing and you'll get better, soon you won't even think about it, it will become second nature.
BTW I wish nissan would offer a SMG this is not an automatic but can be driven like one and could end up being fun to drive, but I don't think as much fun as a true manual.
As for one post saying automatics are getting better and better that might be true, but to give an example like the AMG that does not even offer a manual misses the point completly. Sure the auto is quick, but with that much torque and HP you can afford to lose 10%. Also they don't offer a manual to compair against
Last I don't see driving a manual as something you have to work at or practice. Just drive the thing and you'll get better, soon you won't even think about it, it will become second nature.
BTW I wish nissan would offer a SMG this is not an automatic but can be driven like one and could end up being fun to drive, but I don't think as much fun as a true manual.
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I have driven automatics with so called manual mode and they are about as much fun as heart attack (not fun at all). In fact my passat has a tiptronic automatic and I used it only about five times in 3 years. . . .
Last I don't see driving a manual as something you have to work at or practice. Just drive the thing and you'll get better, soon you won't even think about it, it will become second nature.
I have driven automatics with so called manual mode and they are about as much fun as heart attack (not fun at all). In fact my passat has a tiptronic automatic and I used it only about five times in 3 years. . . .
Last I don't see driving a manual as something you have to work at or practice. Just drive the thing and you'll get better, soon you won't even think about it, it will become second nature.
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the good thing about autos is dat u dont have to worry about the changin the clutch if it gets worned out or need a better clutch to hold more power. other den that manuals are hella fun to drive.
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Originally posted by Phi-1002-
This is wierd but I'll tell the story...
Last night I had an unusual dream. My mom was test driving a Chevy Cavalier. I know... YUCK!
I was like, "Mom this car is crap you drive something else." Then I got in it and it had a SMG similar to the BMW M3's and all of these digital readouts like tire pressures and such and I took it for a drive and bought one for myself.
Then I woke up and I was like, "Where the F*#@ did that dream come from?" Then I went back to sleep hoping for better dreams.
I haven't read about or seen any BMW SMG stuff for awhile. I am a wierdo!
This is wierd but I'll tell the story...
Last night I had an unusual dream. My mom was test driving a Chevy Cavalier. I know... YUCK!
I was like, "Mom this car is crap you drive something else." Then I got in it and it had a SMG similar to the BMW M3's and all of these digital readouts like tire pressures and such and I took it for a drive and bought one for myself.
Then I woke up and I was like, "Where the F*#@ did that dream come from?" Then I went back to sleep hoping for better dreams.
I haven't read about or seen any BMW SMG stuff for awhile. I am a wierdo!
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[Exsilio writes]Or SMG on the new M3...I love mine....super fast and totally awesome! Click click dbl clutch down...very nice.
I drive SMG all the time..and to me, it is much more fun then stick..but that's me. I just love clicking through the different gears..and I get to keep both hands on the wheel..except when I'm doing hard turn, then I have to use the stick.
Exsilio, I gotta ask...why do you need a E46 M3 AND a 350Z? Are you getting board with your M3...what up?
I drive SMG all the time..and to me, it is much more fun then stick..but that's me. I just love clicking through the different gears..and I get to keep both hands on the wheel..except when I'm doing hard turn, then I have to use the stick.
Exsilio, I gotta ask...why do you need a E46 M3 AND a 350Z? Are you getting board with your M3...what up?
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