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Old Feb 13, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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Anyone know anything about Mobil Clean 5000 oil?

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Old Feb 13, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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IF your car is new this is not a necessary item for your Z. If you have more than 10,000 miles i would consider it.
This oil is not a synthetic oil.
It contains more detergents for the cleanup of varnish and sludge created by adolecent engines.
I would really like to see the price cause if its way more than a regular dino oil this is just a marketing hype that can be fixed with other ways.

I love how they put a name on a bottle call it something else when essentially its near the same as the regular brand.

Detergents are cheap so should this oil be.

As for the extended service interval of your oil to 5000 miles. Unless your doing oil anaylisis that too is load of bs.

I'm concerned on how they meet Ilsac gf-4 if they dont meet the fuel economy portion of the requirements wierd.

Detergents will decrease fuel economy by eliminating enigine buildup. however that usually means they lack the antiwear agents and some of the other necessary additives.
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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 05:29 AM
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A little follow up...I got it at walmart for 1.68 a qt. My thinking was this...if Mobil 1 is the best engineered synthetic...it should stand to reason that the other Mobil products are equally good quality too. Also, I didn't want any sludge/varnish to get a head start. I currently have a little over 1000 miles on my Z and religeously change the oil every 3 months or 3000 miles on all my cars. I plan to go fully synthetic around 5000 miles or so allowing for a good breakin of the seals, rings etc. Give me an idea of a better regular oil if you feel this Mobil product is unsatisfactory.

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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by twepilot
A little follow up...I got it at walmart for 1.68 a qt. My thinking was this...if Mobil 1 is the best engineered synthetic...it should stand to reason that the other Mobil products are equally good quality too. Also, I didn't want any sludge/varnish to get a head start. I currently have a little over 1000 miles on my Z and religeously change the oil every 3 months or 3000 miles on all my cars. I plan to go fully synthetic around 5000 miles or so allowing for a good breakin of the seals, rings etc. Give me an idea of a better regular oil if you feel this Mobil product is unsatisfactory.

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Mobil 1 is no longer 100% synthetic, it's a synthetic blend...thanks in part to a lawsuit they lost over Castrol using the term 'synthetic' when it was really a blend. Full synthetic is expensive, so in light of losing this lawsuit, they opted to blend synthetic with mineral oil while advertising it as synthetic. The only fully synthetic oil out there that i know of is Amsoil, which runs about 7 bucks a quart.
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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 04:45 PM
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Yeah so anyway this might be true but i doubt it. I know one thing that isn't true AMSOIL is NOT the only TRUE synthetic.

Sorry but i really have a problem with how they do business and personally don't like them.

But for real there are many out there that are true synthetics. Royal purple, redline (ester base still a synthetic) and hundereds others.

Its like this PAO is near 7.00$ per gallon for BASE OIL. Group IV is 3.00 a gallon for BASE OIL. Mobil last i looked was 20+dollars for 5 quarts. Castrol Syntec is like 11+. They both say synthetic so castrol wins on the price.

Really though the difference was found by API and the supreme court to be so close to the same that it passes as a synthetic. Whats the difference?

Oil is a foundation additives build on that foundation.
The only way to find out whats in the mixture and see how it performs is OIL anaylsis.

You will not find all the additives by anaylsis but you will be suprised at how the inside of your engine is doing by sending off a sample.

Cleanliness #1 priority.
Additive content #2 priority.
Charictaristics of base oil like #5 priority.

I would not laugh at you if you tried super tech and got better results than AMSOIL.

Its liars poker people whos got more chips to throw in when the heat is on.

I don't care about mobil or any of them for that matter but Mobil makes more bottles and sells more bottles in ONE day than Amsoil can do in many months.

Its really what you want to believe in. If your more serious about it than guessing. Take a sample and check out whats going on.

Experiment. No one here or anywhere has the DEFINITE answer on which oil is better and never will.

Post the results.
I wouldn't agree with anyone on which oil to use especially based on opinion.
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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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Im passionate about this subject being that this is what paid for my Z. I don't have all the answers but i will say this.

Oil is like any field how far can you take something as simple as a bottle of oil. The sky is the limit and anyone can be a mad scientist or a **** ocd crazy man.

90% of all mechanical failure is due to the lack of preventative maintenance. I'm not talking about just changing the oil every 3000 miles. The other 10% is acts of god and ABUSE. Not really intential abuse but if you slap a twin turbo on the z or a Nitrous 300shot your asking for it. You almost have to plan and execute a well thought out agenda prior to begining such a project.

Oil is near the same way. But not as extreme as the above things mentioned. Its much more forgiving than a 300 shot of nitrous but still there are so many things you can do to prepare for the worst.
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 06:41 AM
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There must be a lot of spare time to kill in Montana.
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 06:58 AM
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Just so people know that Mobil 1 and Castrol are synthetic blends and that Amsoil is a true synthetic. Why so many people still buy Mobil 1 is becuz stock car racers live by it, since it has an additive (molybdenum) that is only useful for endurance racing and extreme conditions. Another reason is becuz not everyone knows that Mobil 1 is a blend. Amsoil doesn't advertise either, it's not as popular a brand as Mobil 1. The whole point is to let people know that Mobil 1 USED to be a full synthetic, but it is no longer.
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 06:50 PM
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MOTUL all the way!!!!!!!!1
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by smoothludey
Just so people know that Mobil 1 and Castrol are synthetic blends and that Amsoil is a true synthetic. Why so many people still buy Mobil 1 is becuz stock car racers live by it, since it has an additive (molybdenum) that is only useful for endurance racing and extreme conditions. Another reason is becuz not everyone knows that Mobil 1 is a blend. Amsoil doesn't advertise either, it's not as popular a brand as Mobil 1. The whole point is to let people know that Mobil 1 USED to be a full synthetic, but it is no longer.
Mobil 1 is still PAO based. Where as US Made Castrol Syntec is Group III based. Also, if Mobil 1 sucks so much, why does Amsoil buy their base stock from Exxon-Mobil.

http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Oils_FAQs.aspx#Mobil_1_FAQs1

Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?

Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 with SuperSyn viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.
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Old Feb 15, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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I agree. Motul is awesome but it aint cheap.

I also run it in my vintage Italian motorscooters (mixed with leaded racing fuel).
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by n8vz
Mobil 1 is still PAO based. Where as US Made Castrol Syntec is Group III based. Also, if Mobil 1 sucks so much, why does Amsoil buy their base stock from Exxon-Mobil.

http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/Mo...#Mobil_1_FAQs1

Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?

Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 with SuperSyn viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.
I use Mobil 1 myself, been using it for years...and it is no longer fully synthetic as it once was for the reasons I explained earlier. I never said Mobil 1 is worse or is a substandard oil. I was trying to explain why Mobil 1 sells so much more, but it doesn't really have to do with the quality of the oil, but more with name recognition and the fact that you can buy it almost anywhere.
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