steve c

So, what you are saying is that my opinions are just opinion, but your opinions are facts -- oh and something about convertible people being gay.

Very mature. Again, if you are not capable of carrying on this discussion at an adult level -- why not just leave, for whatever reason it seems to really bother you that not all of us share your same opinions. (Or I would suggest you get accustomed to the frustration of this process as your immature approach and horrid spelling abilities will surely make this type of thing a routine).

I don't see what bearing that would have on this conversation. I have owned and currently own a number of cars, usually low production RWD platforms although I have owned a couple of interesting FWD cars too.

Funny thing, I don't see where I am slandering or "flaming" any car here.

Interesting excerpt from a well known magazine:

Kevin Smith, Manager of Editorial Development for Motor Trend, says “Sports cars-rather like pornography-are much easier to recognize when you see them than they are to define.” (Motor Trend 2/02) He is exactly right because if you went up to the average person and asked them to name a few characteristics that every sports car shares, they probably wouldn’t be able to. This arises from a lack of differentiation in titles.

How can a Ferrari and a Hyundai Tiburon be classified under the same title? They are both “Sports cars”, or are they?

Some say that a true sports car is one that exhibits a high power to weight ratio. This means that the vehicles engine output is proportionately greater than the vehicles total weight.

In simpler terms, a car that has a “big ***” engine but weighs close to nothing. An example of such a vehicle is the Panoz Roadster, which only weighs 2500 lbs but has a V-8 with over 300 hp. The truth of the matter is that this broad range of cars just shows us that the definition lies in the driver.

rahilio

steve you make no sense. take up another hobby.your the one that should not be here leave and go flame on another forum.

boom i guess he does not want to say what he drives. but i know its a pink miata. i got the pictures to prove it.

rahilio

no the gay thing is just an opinion to get my point across and thats not a fact. i have no opinions on the matter, besides that you dont know what your talking about and dont belong here and thats another subject.


my Fact's were
the 350z is A Sports car
the 350z is heavy

see any opinions here? both facts

steve c

Again, that is an opinion, not a fact.

Please -- I know it's hard but try to convey your opinions with out calling other people names ... aka at an adult level.

Boomer

Thanks for the info. Yes, he is very childish, thats why I fired off the list of questions, lets see how he responds

rahilio

seriously now. the way the guy talks hes prolly got money and dosent know the value of such.
i would say since he likes muscle cars with light weight, and his heads up his *** maybe an m3 convertible perfect car for mr snooty himself.
one of those **** type of people who never get married and die old and alone with cats all over the house.

Boomer

Rahilio, you kill me. Thats a great analogy. HAH!HAH! Made me laugh out loud.

Boomer

steve c

No boomer -- a convertible corvette is not one of my cars -- and never will be.

rahilio does it make you feel better to call people names anonymously via the Internet when they do not agree with you?

Boomer, for a 50 somthing year old guy (which you claim to be) you sure don't act like one...

rahilio

steve all you do is talk outta your ***. its really sad how you hang in here for no reason other than just flame flame flame
get a life

steve c

Again, I am not the one flaming here -- that would be you. For whatever reason you can't seem to grasp that your opinion is not shared by everyone and seem hell bent on name calling until those that do not share your opinion leave.

rahilio

steve you tell me.

rahilio

steve again i have not called you any names. what your dooing here since sept and all you do is talk outta your *** (<--- this is not calling anybody names just the way children behave.)
can you please tell me what your purpose is on this forum besides waste bandwith with your retarded opinions and outlook on cars.

Boomer

So what with the quote, it just illustrates that language and labels change over time. Its basic, not a proof of anything. When I bought my first new car in 1965, a Triumph TR4, the definition of a sports car was quite clear and comes close to your definition of a sports car . Light, 2 seats, convertible; typical British sports car.

Sports cars then were usually derived from sedan roots. They used the drivetrain and chassis of the sedan and put on a sporty body. It was true of many "sports cars" like MG, Austin Healy and others.

The term "sports car" was coined after the 2nd World War, did you know that? When G.I.s began bringing over the 2 seaters made on the Continent of Europe and the British Isles. I owned 2 of them, the TR4 and a 1968 Fiat 124 Spyder w/ dual overhead cams and 5 forward speeds! Not many of those around, very exotic 4 cylinder, when the TR4 engine was derived from a tractor engine with 3 main bearings.

Sometimes on long trips, the spark plugwires of the TR4 would vibrate off and the engine would run rough!. I would pull over and reconnect the front 2 spark plug wires and everything would be fine until the next time. OK , I've revealed my sports cars , the ones which actually coined the term. Tell me about yours, why won't you return the favor? I asked you several questions and you refused to answer, why? This is a forum about sports cars, the 350Z is my current sports car, what is yours? Why won't you tell me?

I'll make it easy for you, my last car was a 1997 Honda Accord EX 5speed commuter, I lost my mind in June of 97 and traded my 91 MR2T for the Accord. After I did it, I put on Suspension Techniques anti-roll bars, Tokiko shocks, a Neuspeed front strut bar, Nitto 455 tires and a K&N air filter. It was loaded with leather, power seats/windows, good sound system, moonroof and a beautiful Dark Green Metallic paint job. It had the best combination of ride and handling on a sports coupe I've ever driven.

It was bog slow, 0-60 in 9 secs, forget the 1/4 mile, but I began to respect it's performance at highway speeds. At 70, cruising in 5th, you could drop it into 4th gear and be right in the middle of the V-tech torque peak and it would fly at high speeds. I actually contemplated importing a J-spec Accord Type-R engine because it drove so well and all it needed was HP. I sold it w/56,000 miles in August 2001 for 48% of what I paid for it and actually missed it some for a while because it drove so well.

OK, its your turn, I've told you about 3 of my cars, you need to tell me about your cars. What are you driving now, Corvette? What about your other cars, you owe me 2 more if we are playing fair.

Boomer

rahilio

i dont know boom if he dont want to say what hes driving its prolly driving an ice cream truck.

heres my 3 guesses

1. ice cream truck
2. pink pastel miata w/ smily face grill mod
3. *gasp* mustang (aka lunchbox on wheels)
4. m3 coupe/convertible (perfect for those rich snooty peeps)(although i would love one myself if i can afford it)

Boomer

Rahlio, I love your sense of humor, ice cream truck is the best one yet, but you are probably inhibiting steve c from becoming a productive member of our site.

OK, steve. Are you or are you not going to answer my questions? Forgive Rahilio's jabs and let a little humor enter your persona on this site. Being able to laugh at one's self is a very healthy thing. Not being able to laugh at yourself is a killer in the long run, it will eat you up inside.

If Rahilio had been ragging on me, I would have given up by this time and laughed along with him. Contribute and we won't beat you up, laugh with us and we will listen to your ideas with an open mind, right Rahilio? I will never see an ice cream truck again without laughing. Also, an M3 was my first choice for a new car, but I chose the Z instead and I'm glad I did. Its a great car.

Boomer--olive branch, steve. OK? Rahilio?

rahilio

its all in good fun

gouki

Convertibles are sports cars?????????

Steve I see your point however, compared to the Miata and the S, the 300zx may seem more GT than sports because those cars are so light. Its like comparing go-karts/F3s and the Miata, the Miata is no where near as nimble as an F3s, it doesn't make it any less of a sports car.

There are some Ferrari and Porsche drivers who considers Mazdas and Hondas as family cars and not true sports cars.

So, in the end its a pointless argument.

The 300ZX is a sports car in my opinion and to the opinions of the people who voted it best sports car for the first 6 years of its production life.

Again, this is just my perspective and my collection of information over the years. I am not interested in personal attacks and as such.

S38

One reason would be that the aftermarket support for an M3 is just huge--especially for track parts (BMW Club Racing, etc.). In the end, would be way cheaper and safer than a Boxster or S2000.

I owned two Datsun 510's and a '94 Maxima so I can troll any Nissan board I want, even though I don't own a Nissan at the moment.

I think from a marketing standpoint Nissan made the right choices. Most people don't care and want the extra luxury items that add weight. However, could you imagine a 2900lb Z or a 3100lb M3? A few M3's have already been lightened by their owners and they become real animals. A guy with an older M5 like mine took about 300+lbs out of it (a/c, wipers, insulation, etc.) and was able to do a pass on at 13.8 at 108mph vs. 102mph at stock weight. That is a huge difference.

In any event, most of us aren't good enough drivers to exploit the weight difference on track and need to use the car as a daily driver. I track my 3800lb+ M5 so the Z would feel like total lightweight to me. I figure once I get in something light I will be really quick.

steve c

The E36M3 market is pretty well sorted and you can build a good car with pieces right out of a catalog. Still, an already track prepped 80's 911 will be about the same price and a more potent car -- or even for that matter a well thought out second generation RX7.

S38

I thought BMW's were expensive until I saw Porsche prices--yikes. But you are correct, a 911 can get down to 2500lbs pretty easily and a moderate engine can have 250+hp. Those are pretty good numbers. I have heard the 2cnd gen RX7's have some interesting snap oversteer characteristics.