These guys are NUTS....
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Originally Posted by kcobean
Just to clarify the 'dealer cost' issue, Dealer Invoice is what the dealer actually pays plus something called a 'dealer holdback'. In the case of Nissan, this is 2% of cost, and is basically a kickback from the manufacturer to help cover costs like marketing, etc.
If you're a shrewd negotiator, you find out what invoice is, rip the 2% dealer holdback off of that, then offer that price plus reasonable profit (which is probably close to dealer holdback). That's what I did, and I drove off the lot with an '04 track for right around 32,500 plus TTTDP (Tax, Tags, Title, Dealer Processing). All total, I wrote a check for $35500 and took 'er home.
Any dealer selling ANY Z for 48K better be including an F/I kit of your choice w/ installation by the shop of your choice. Now THAT I might buy!

If you're a shrewd negotiator, you find out what invoice is, rip the 2% dealer holdback off of that, then offer that price plus reasonable profit (which is probably close to dealer holdback). That's what I did, and I drove off the lot with an '04 track for right around 32,500 plus TTTDP (Tax, Tags, Title, Dealer Processing). All total, I wrote a check for $35500 and took 'er home.
Any dealer selling ANY Z for 48K better be including an F/I kit of your choice w/ installation by the shop of your choice. Now THAT I might buy!

I was under the impression that dealer holdback was just a tool to make it look like the invoice was higher than it actually should be. I thought it's like a holding deposit with the manufacturer, that the dealer has to pay, but they get the money back when they sell the car.
In any case, if a dealer offers you a deal that's below invoice, they are definitely still making money. One crooked dealer tried to tell me on some other car, "OMG I'm LOSING money on this deal ($50 below invoice) you HAVE to buy."
Whatever, ****face...
In any case, if a dealer offers you a deal that's below invoice, they are definitely still making money. One crooked dealer tried to tell me on some other car, "OMG I'm LOSING money on this deal ($50 below invoice) you HAVE to buy."
Whatever, ****face...
Originally Posted by bixby
Thanks. So what was/is MSRP?
Coupe MSRP = $36,200 before destination $36,780 with destination
Add $2K for nav
Add $500 for ultra yellow
Add misc for for misc
Roadster MSRP = $39,300 before dest. $39,880 w/dest
Add list same as above.
I love it when they act like they are going lower than they can possibly go and then they say "If we go any lower we'll be losing money!" Everytime I hear that I laugh my @$$ off. Losing money, they could sell a brand new 05 35th for $30,000 and still make some money. I worked at a dealership for a year or so do **** jobs in the shop. (HIGH SCHOOL JOBS SUCK!) And you wouldn't believe the price dealerships pay for cars. What a bunch of BS!
Originally Posted by xtrememan315
I love it when they act like they are going lower than they can possibly go and then they say "If we go any lower we'll be losing money!" Everytime I hear that I laugh my @$$ off. Losing money, they could sell a brand new 05 35th for $30,000 and still make some money.
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