MikeyDNY

Pretty useful to know when negotiating. I'm guessing the typical commission is 1 - 1.5% . . . anyone know for sure?

raceboy

Salespeople generally get paid a percentage of the profit and not a percentage of the car's selling price. If the profit goes below a certain ammount, they then get a minimum voucher, sometimes as low as $50.

TRACK350z

sometimes you can find out by asking them!

I know mine got less that 300 dollars.

z350z

Oh yeah, just ask them! A car salesman would never tell anything but the absolute truth about something like that!

Gimme a break...

westpak

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All dealers are different on amount but usually it is a percentage of the profit which is why they like to sell used cars more. But if they are like my dealer since the Z was not a sale but rather an order taking they screwed them and said they would only get a flat 500 per Z.

WashUJon

Used car guys make a lot more, since they have much more room to haggle, especially if they're dealing with a used car that was traded-in...

BRICKS Z

first a question for those of you who are interested?
how much did you make last year?
the answer to your question how much do salesmen make on their commissions... is as much as possible
ps none of your f--king business....
nobody worries how much profit there is in a CD OR A DVD
BET EVERYONE HAS A 100 + OF THOSE WELL ITS COSTS ABOUT A BUCK FOR THAT CD OF WHO LET THE DOGS OUT BY THE BAJA MEN AND YOU PROBABLY PAID 15.95 AND DIDN'T GIVE A ****
EVEN THOUGHT YOU PAID AN ENORMOUS MARK UP BUT WHEN WE SELL YOU A CAR YOU MAKE US OUT TO BE DEVILS... IF YOUD ALL STOP WORRYING ABOUT HOW MUCH PROFIT WE MAKE AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE YOUD LIVE LONGER...

PS IM A CAR SALESMEN AND I PAID STICKER AND DEALER FEES FOR MY Z AND HAD THE 1ST IN SOUTH FLA AUG 23 AND I DIDN'T CAR WHAT IT COST BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND $ WAS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY LIFESTYLE.
SO BUY THE DAMN CAR ALREADY AND MOVE ON IF YOUR WORRIED ABOUT PAYING TO MUCH YOU CANT AFFORD THE CAR ANYWAY AND YOU WONT ENJOY IT SO GO BUY A HUNDYIA OR YUGO OR BETTER YET A DIAHATSU

BRICKS Z

OH AND BYE THE WAY IF YOU WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH I MAKE YOUR NOT GETTING LAID PROPERLY I'M SURE OF THAT SO GET A LIFE


OK I FEEL BETTER NOW

YOU KNOW ME I NEED TO VENT EVERY NOW AND THEN

BRICKS Z

DONE VENTING

MRS BRICKS Z TOLD ME TO CHILL OUT

MikeyDNY

Oh . . . now I see the light. . . thanks Bricks . . . consumers should just lay down for car dealers and let them charge whatever they feel like.

You know why we have to ask these things don't you? Because of salesmen like you. From BMW and MB dealers all the way down to lowly ford and kia dealers, salesmen lie, manipulate, mislead, misinform, and sometimes commit borderline fraud to make a sale. The only difference is that at the luxury dealers, they smile and have a better vocabulary.

And what about all the b.s. fees dealers have invented? Advertising, documentation, dealer prep fees, etc, etc. All crap . . . if you wanted to, you could parcel out every single cost.

And as far as your comments as to income??? How do you think people become successful? Through a lack of preparation? The cheapest s.o.b.'s are the wealthiest. Read a bio of Donald Trump.

Finally, your rant was really pathetic. It really doesn't matter what the Z costs the dealership. A buyer could know every conceivable cost and but that doesn't mean the dealer is going to sell the car at that price. If the car is moving at sticker, the dealer will hold out for that. We need the info. when the dealer starts complaining he won't make anything on the car, etc.

MikeyDNY

And by the way . . . I nearly leased a 330ci the other day. The BMW dealer pulled the same nonsense that the lowliest dealer does.

1. Manipulating the money factor (they think they can get away with it because a lot of people don't even know how to calculate a lease)

2. Trying to get me to put a 1k deposit down before they would even to a dealer search for the car I wanted

3. Telling me they could dealer trade for a car with the options I want only later to claim that the dealer was closed (at the end of the month, yeah right!)--- then they tried to push the car with nav. on the lot on me.

4. Claiming that they could only do the deal that night because rates were expiring; two days later, they call and say they can do the same deal!

5. Claiming that a car w/o nav. coming to the dealership wouldn't arrive for at least a week, only to find it came the next day.

6. Contrary to the ad in the paper which said they "may have to order vehicle"--they stated they couldn't order the car optioned the way I want it and lock in current rates

7. Said they could not waive security, only later to do so.

8. Told me the money factor was around .00195, only later to get the real one at .00145

AND ON AND ON AND ON . . . After sorting through this mess, I refused to deal with them. Why? It's called principles. I don't do business with people who lie, mislead, and misinform (maybe I'll never buy a car then ). And believe it or not, honest and fair dealers can be profitable--I wish more would give it a try.

rodH

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I always think it is interesting how people think there is so much mark up on cars (a 10% markup on ANY product is a JOKE, most retail products go 40-100% markup and everybody bitches that a dealer that actually has to pay flooring fees, etc....actually makes up to 10% of thier $$ back (and MUCH less than that-Net).

btw, I am NOT a salesman and NEVER will be

PrototypeRacer

I was just in a Nissan showroom the other day looking at the only Z on the lot, a black touring w/all options. This guy told me he'd sell it for 41,000 and that I'd have to pay 43 or so for a track model after a wait. I checked and within 70 miles I could buy for MSRP. The sad thing is this car like the others I've seen on the lot will be sold in the next month...or less. Dealers mark up the price because there's always a market for stupidity.

Wicked4u2c

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nobody worries how much profit there is in a CD OR A DVD
BET EVERYONE HAS A 100 + OF THOSE WELL ITS COSTS ABOUT A BUCK FOR THAT CD OF WHO LET THE DOGS OUT BY THE BAJA MEN AND YOU PROBABLY PAID 15.95 AND DIDN'T GIVE A ****
EVEN THOUGHT YOU PAID AN ENORMOUS MARK UP BUT WHEN WE SELL YOU A CAR YOU MAKE US OUT TO BE DEVILS...

That's because 90% of car salesman are DEVILS! I had to go through 8 dealerships to finally find the "good guys" and its funny how 7 out of 8 dealership BS ME, telling me how I would never get the car.. Funny thing is I got the car 1 week later the exact same one I wanted.. I wanted to go to all dealerships and show them how much I payed and that I got the car that they swore I would never get.. I didn't bother wasting my time, but it did come across

IF YOUD ALL STOP WORRYING ABOUT HOW MUCH PROFIT WE MAKE AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE YOUD LIVE LONGER...

Nobody cares what you make... We just don't want to get ****ed over that's all...

PS IM A CAR SALESMEN AND I PAID STICKER AND DEALER FEES FOR MY Z

That's too bad... I paid STICKER and came with about $1,000 in options! Door Sills, spoiler, mud guards, underbody defuser, alarm...

AND HAD THE 1ST IN SOUTH FLA AUG 23 AND I DIDN'T CAR WHAT IT COST BECAUSE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND $ WAS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY LIFESTYLE.

WOW!!! Sorry BIG BALLER! Your special because you were the first one You know, not everyone is RICH like you and to some people saving an extra 1K is either a House Payment, misc expense or in My case... The extra 2-3k that I saved goes to extra goodies on my Z to make it look better...

SO BUY THE DAMN CAR ALREADY AND MOVE ON IF YOUR WORRIED ABOUT PAYING TO MUCH YOU CANT AFFORD THE CAR ANYWAY AND YOU WONT ENJOY IT SO GO BUY A HUNDYIA OR YUGO OR BETTER YET A DIAHATSU

I agree with MikeyDNY, its all about being prepared. Trust me, I could of been a fool :Cough: and been the first Z here where I live and payed an extra 4K for it... But why? You got yours in Aug23, I got mine in Nov21... I got one great deal, not only did I get the car that I wanted color, options, etc... I payed MSRP with options AND... My first payment isn't until Feb.. So I had 3 months of NO CAR PAYMENT!! To me that's being intelligent, I wasn't going to settle for anything...

MikeyDNY

Percentage profit margins tell you very little about nominal profitability. For example, if I have a product that costs me $1 to produce and sell it for $2, the markup is 100%. But what good is that??? I'd have to sell 1 mil. of the good to make million dollars.

Now take an example of a car manufacturer. For example (and simplistically), if Nissan turns a profit of 2k on each altima sold that is about a 10% margin or less. But 2k multiplied by 200,000 units sold/year, and Nissan turns a nominal profit of $400 million. Not bad.

And as far as dealerships: where's the fire? I mean, I can't remember the last time a dealership shutdown--I only see them expanding (there's even going to be a Hummer dealership nearby soon!). If dealerships were in such dire times, certainly you'd see a few shutdown.

Wait, I forgot. Dealers are against the capitalist system and believe that they should be immune from competition. Maybe we can send the salesmen down to Cuba to see what socialism/communism brings. Or maybe they should read a history book about the implosion of Soviet econ. system. The USSR produced some great cars by the way!

Wicked4u2c

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Yeah, but supply and demand play in important role... Nissan isn't stupid, they know that the Z would sell and would be hot. That's why they limited to the consumer and only gave dealerships a certain amount in the start... This would hype things up and the demand would go higher.. What happens when the demand goes higher.. PRICE increase! That's where people don't get it. Honestly, even getting the car at MSRP isn't that great of a deal IMO. No matter what the dealer gets it at the same price, but they try and make it seem like they are paying much more. Why should we pay more, when they are geting it at the same price. But unless you find a dealership that will be cool and let one go very cheap like mine than its a different story. Because most dealerships know that their is a sucker for everything. Just look at the Honda Civic SI! They started at 19+K! for that damn car (looks like a minivan). Because the old 99-00 Civic SI were so HOT they figured it would be the same.. Nobody is buying those things that they are blowing them away for 16K now... Like I said, Supply and Demand is what makes things go up in price or down.

visitor

cardirect.com

cuts the middleman (salesman) and goes right to the manager, who's really calling the shots. of course this doesn't work for luxury cars cause those who do have money to buy luxury cars generally can buy 2 and not even scratch their bank account.

check out the edmunds article on the undercover salesman story. sometimes, their own dealership screw salesmen out of their commissions...it's a rather funny game they all play

BrianZ

Wow, a little defensive???

Yes, many products have 100% markup, but rarely do they cost $30K.

Probably we don't care about the markup on a CD or DVD is because this is A CAR FORUM. Get it? We talk about cars here. Not CDs, not DVDs, at least not centrally.

Car salesman have a bad reputation. But you knew that when you took the job, so stop whining. Not everybody thinks they are "devils."

Yugo? Daihatsu? Relax guy. You can't even get a new Yugo anymore. Besides, this is a Z forum. Get it? We talk abut Z's here.

In the big picture, a $1000 here and there isn't that big of a deal. So send me a couple of yours. Oh NOW they matter. See the hypocrisy???

mickey

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Well ****** Z(oops I mean Bricks Z) was merely venting, as he stated. Hmmm, this is not a good place to vent. How about go into your bedroom with Mrs.Brick Z and vent. After that, we may seem more likeable to you.

BRICKS Z

your right i choose to to be a car salesman...
great hours hardly any work involved...
fill out a few forms...
wipe down excess water the clean up guy missed...
swap a liscence plate....
tell people how the radio works, where the spare is, how to set the home link, ect...
play lots of golf....
it worth it i guess when you think about it
all i really have to do is be friendly answer a bunch of questions customers usually know the answers to
and be honest, give the customer what they want for about the price they want and follow up with what i told them i would do.
so i won't whine anymore...
i keep forgetting where i was 6 years ago and where i am know just from selling cars what a big difference for the better
so sorry to any one i offended
come on in and haggle away and if i can help you get that great deal on a new car i will