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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:38 PM
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I don't know why people think the 06 is such a pig compared to 03-05. It gained ave of 149.5 lbs, after running some numbers. lbs/hp is nearly identical.


Base Enth Tour Track

03-05 3188 3197 3247 3225
06 3339 3346 3400 3370
Diff +151 +149 +153 +145 Ave 149.5
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Boresi
I don't know why people think the 06 is such a pig compared to 03-05. It gained ave of 149.5 lbs, after running some numbers. lbs/hp is nearly identical.


Base Enth Tour Track

03-05 3188 3197 3247 3225
06 3339 3346 3400 3370
Diff +151 +149 +153 +145 Ave 149.5
yeah but I guess the logic is like this:

"I can add 15 horses to the crank fairly easy, but how the hell am I going to lose 150 lbs of something I'm not quite sure I needed before??"
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jackwhale
I think that this can be calculated.

Power/weight is the figure which is important. If my '03 has 287 hp and weighs 3100 lb, the power/weight is 10.7 hp/pound. If a car has 300 hp and weight is 3300 then the power/weight is 11.0 hp/lb.

If these numbers are correct then the increase in hp would more than account for the increase in weight.

I'm at the office so I don't have access to weight of our 350's.
Actually, those are 10.8 lb/hp for the '03 and 11.0 lb/hp for the other. The lower, the better. Therefore the '03 should still be better using this figure-of-merit.

Another way to look at it is that the weight went up 6.4%, but the HP only went up 4.5%.

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jackwhale
I think that this can be calculated.

Power/weight is the figure which is important. If my '03 has 287 hp and weighs 3100 lb, the power/weight is 10.7 hp/pound. If a car has 300 hp and weight is 3300 then the power/weight is 11.0 hp/lb.

If these numbers are correct then the increase in hp would more than account for the increase in weight.

I'm at the office so I don't have access to weight of our 350's.
Hahaha.....11hp per pound huh? That would be 36,300hp. Try 11lbs/hp which equates to more weight per hp than the 10.7 calculation.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by uwaeve
Actually, those are 10.8 lb/hp for the '03 and 11.0 lb/hp for the other. The lower, the better. Therefore the '03 should still be better using this figure-of-merit.

Another way to look at it is that the weight went up 6.4%, but the HP only went up 4.5%.

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Looks like you're a few tenths ahead of me as well....hehehe
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Perfectly said and very true. Dont worry about it, get the 06' and do the MREV which adds a big chunk of midrange horsepower and torque and you'll be set....

Sorry for being dumb but what is MREV?
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:21 AM
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They're heavier yes, slower not so much. The extra weight will be a disadvantage on a twisty track, but the new motor is prolly a little better even though you lose some torque.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mc350z
i messed around with taking out my spare. and i noticed two things

1 with less than 1/2 tank of gas plus the missing spare the car oversteers more (in an autoX situation at least)

2 maybe it was just me hallucinating but i think it made the rear higher and more gap between the tires showed. i didnt measure it but i put the tire back in and it looked normal again. i think the tire and tools are around 40 lbs
Yah I removed my spare and tools and I agree with you on 1 & 2. I also got the HKS exhaust with is 15lbs lighter than stock so thus far I've lost 55lbs :-)
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bswanny
Sorry for being dumb but what is MREV?
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bswanny
Sorry for being dumb but what is MREV?
MREV is a mod for the 300HP rev up engines. It is a 287 Lower plenum + a Isothermal spacer. The shorter runners on the 287 plenum bring back the torque on the 300 HP model.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 09:11 AM
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so it brings back the torque and they lose hp up top...? i mean if thtas the cause the end up with a 2003-2005 modeld 350z with a spacer and technosquare reflash for the higher rpms, but they are 150 pounds heavier. how does that work out? (if what I just said doesnt make sense please ignore it since im kinda dumb with all the technical aspects.)
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rolling
i
try removing..
rear hatch as suggested in another thread.
rear wiper/ washer asembly
front washer fluid
helium in your tires
remove stereo equipment and SUBS!!
pass seat,
anything you simplty dont NEED..

i think you get my point lol
but seriousy.. get it you will like it
i had 2 03's i easily like this best
Helium in tires?

Be carefull!!, don't put too much helium as your car will fly away and you probably don't have rudders to steer it so you could crash into the 3rd floor of a building!!

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by uwaeve
Actually, those are 10.8 lb/hp for the '03 and 11.0 lb/hp for the other. The lower, the better. Therefore the '03 should still be better using this figure-of-merit.

Another way to look at it is that the weight went up 6.4%, but the HP only went up 4.5%.

uwaeve
You're little off. Crunching more numbers,

Base Enth Tour Track
03-05 11.11 11.14 11.31 11.24
06 11.13 11.15 11.33 11.23
Diff +.02 +.01 +.02 -.01 Ave +.01 lbs/hp

% wt gain 4.74 4.66 4.71 4.50 Ave 4.65
% hp gain 4.53

So the difference is so small its negligible. 06 Track actually has better wt/hp ratio than prev years except 05.

The weight will affect handling and braking more. I bet 03-05 will have better lap times around a track.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 09:44 AM
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I have heard from many people that the Rev-up motor takes to bolt-on mods better as well. So with a few mods, that can make up for the little bit of torque.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bhk1004
so it brings back the torque and they lose hp up top...? i mean if thtas the cause the end up with a 2003-2005 modeld 350z with a spacer and technosquare reflash for the higher rpms, but they are 150 pounds heavier. how does that work out? (if what I just said doesnt make sense please ignore it since im kinda dumb with all the technical aspects.)
You lose a tiny bit of hp like after 6500
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 02:03 PM
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what is causing the 150 lb weight gain. That is pretty signicant (about 5% of total wieight).
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TK2005
Hahaha.....11hp per pound huh? That would be 36,300hp. Try 11lbs/hp which equates to more weight per hp than the 10.7 calculation.
HA i knew that nismo exhaust felt like more power

i have over 36k HP!!!
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